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Help with Cam Followers - I was going to put on my barrel and pistons and head this weekend but ran into some difficulty. I purchased new Kibblewhite tappet blocks from fagengine (Part # 010154) and new inlet cam followers (PN# 70-3059 R) and exhaust cam followers (PN# 70-8801) from The Bonneville Shop. So I installed the blocks and when I got to fitting the cam followers I found they will not fit into the tappet blocks. If I try the fit from the other side they slide in an inch or so, but from the side they need to be installed they go in a 1/4 inch or so and no further. Have any of you had this sort of experience? Thanks.

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I always get guide blocks AND followers from the dame source, or ensure they are made by the same company. You can try polishing the follower shafts with superfine emery cloth and see if they'll go. And/Or take a skinny pipe that fits in the holes, cut a slit in one end and slip a short length of emery cloth in the slit, chuck it in a drill and give the guide blocks a few passes with a shot of oil. Make sure to thoroughly clean both after each re-work. Shouldn't take much...
 
I always get guide blocks AND followers from the dame source, or ensure they are made by the same company. You can try polishing the follower shafts with superfine emery cloth and see if they'll go. And/Or take a skinny pipe that fits in the holes, cut a slit in one end and slip a short length of emery cloth in the slit, chuck it in a drill and give the guide blocks a few passes with a shot of oil. Make sure to thoroughly clean both after each re-work. Shouldn't take much...
That sounds like the good idea that I didn't have - so next time will have to do. So I'll get some experience with reaming. I now notice on the fagengine site that they mention clearances and any manner to ream the blocks will do.
 
So I found my old tappets and they do not fit my new tappet blocks. I guess the issue then is with the blocks. I’m not having much luck honing them out. I tried 1500, then 800, then 600 grit emery paper wrapped around an aluminum dowel in my drill. Even with the 600 it hasn’t made much of a difference. I appreciate any suggestions about what to use, perhaps coarser paper - or is there some sort of reamer that can be purchased for this activity. Thanks.
 
Timing chest question. So, I did not mark these cam gears when disassembling. Which gear is for the intake and which is for the exhaust cam. They seem the same except for some different markings. Thanks for any help!

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Oh boy... I never remove cam pinions, and never even remove cams from cases, unless they indicate out-of tolerance play. Unless a classic Triumph is THRASHED and/or not maintained, the cam bushing will last till your grandkids own the bike.

"By the book" is all I can say about re-installing. I don't remember the markings relative to proper installation. You will have to properly time them, as there are three possible keyway positions for each cam.
 
Oh boy... I never remove cam pinions, and never even remove cams from cases, unless they indicate out-of tolerance play. Unless a classic Triumph is THRASHED and/or not maintained, the cam bushing will last till your grandkids own the bike.

"By the book" is all I can say about re-installing. I don't remember the markings relative to proper installation. You will have to properly time them, as there are three possible keyway positions for each cam.
I was hoping not to have to go so far. In a previous post I indicated where one of the cam bushings was buggered up, it looked like when it was last installed the key was pressed into the bush, creating a cut out in the bush. So, as this was/is a learning experience, I replaced all of the cam bushings. While it took me a couple of sets of new bushings, I finally got it right and so I guess my great-grandchildren will get to ride this if gas engines are still legal in the future. I did figure out, finally, which cam gear went where after reviewing my many photos of the disassembly - and so have put them back where they came from and all seems good and the cams and crank are rotating smoothly. Except for rebuilding the wheels, I will have taken everything apart on this bike - at least once!
 
I did figure out, finally, which cam gear went where after reviewing my many photos of the disassembly - and so have put them back where they came from and all seems good and the cams and crank are rotating smoothly. Except for rebuilding the wheels, I will have taken everything apart on this bike - at least once!
But are you POSITIVE which keyways you used? They will time differently with reference to the cam lobes.

"be careful"
 
the intake and exhaust camwheels are the same part, with identical marks. later T140s used letters instead of dots and i dont know about them. but the earlier ones in yours are easy.

the stock camwheel mark is the one on the rim, near the teeth. some nervous nellie added your extra punchmarks near the keyway. that keyway -- the one in line with the punchmark on the rim-- is the one you use to fit your camshafts into the stock position. it should be okay as-is.

you can advance or retard the timing of your camshafts in 4.8-degree increments by holding the camwheels still (conceptually) and rotating the camshaft CCW to retard or CW to advance one keyway at a time. if you choose to do this:

-- you must check the cam timing with a degree wheel to set the camwheels to the correct position at the new timing.

-- the marks on the camwheels will then no longer line up on the idler and you must paint new ones

-- you MUST check the valve to piston clearances and the valve-to-valve interference, as everything will have changed.

but theres no reason to mess with camshaft timing unless youre looking for something very specifically non-stock, so this is just a heads-up.

this is one where i use a different cam timing and had to paint new marks

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the intake and exhaust camwheels are the same part, with identical marks. later T140s used letters instead of dots and i dont know about them. but the earlier ones in yours are easy.

the stock camwheel mark is the one on the rim, near the teeth. some nervous nellie added your extra punchmarks near the keyway. that keyway -- the one in line with the punchmark on the rim-- is the one you use to fit your camshafts into the stock position. it should be okay as-is.

you can advance or retard the timing of your camshafts in 4.8-degree increments by holding the camwheels still (conceptually) and rotating the camshaft CCW to retard or CW to advance one keyway at a time. if you choose to do this:

-- you must check the cam timing with a degree wheel to set the camwheels to the correct position at the new timing.

-- the marks on the camwheels will then no longer line up on the idler and you must paint new ones

-- you MUST check the valve to piston clearances and the valve-to-valve interference, as everything will have changed.

but theres no reason to mess with camshaft timing unless youre looking for something very specifically non-stock, so this is just a heads-up.

this is one where i use a different cam timing and had to paint new marks

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SEE HOW EASY THAT IS????

hee hee
 
Head Bolt Puzzler - so I am installing the head back on the engine using the same head bolts I removed. The 4 outer bolts are fine, however the 5th, center bolt isn’t long enough. My parts book says this is part E4771, 3 inch UH. My bolt is 3 inches, but does not make contact with the cylinder. What am I missing here? Thanks.
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So I replaced my old cylinder with an AERCO 750 kit. So I am now wondering if the threads on the AERCO are different from my old (Routt) cylinder?
 
Regarding my Kibblewhite tappet blocks - well I did have to spend some time on them. After consulting with FAGENGINE, from whence I purchased the blocks, I was informed they are intentionally made on the small side so that folks might be able to use their older tappets with them, I suppose assuming they’d be worn. So they suggested I purchase this 8mm flex-hone tool from them to do the job. Apparently this can be used to hone valve guides also. So I used the hone in my hand held drill using some light oil and honed each of the 4 tappet block holes. It took longer than I expected to get them to the spec’s in the book - about 70 ins and outs with the hone on each hole - just to get to minimum specs and of course along the way I checked them every 10 to 15 hones to make sure the tappets fit/did not fit. They fit very nicely now I must say. I also had to do some honing work on the tappet heads, as a couple of the tappets would not clear the wings of the tappet blocks. So using some 600 to 800 to 1500 grit emery paper I honed them until they fit properly. I also polished the inside of the tappet block wings a bit for smoothness as well as the shafts of the tappets with 1500 grit for good measure. Then of course I washed the heck out of everything again to get rid of all the honed material. I didn’t expect to have to do this with new parts - but this is all about learning new stuff!

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Any advice on spark plugs for my build? It is a 1969 T120R with an Aerco 750 kit and NO hot cams. It is being built as a scrambler/sled and will be driven moderately - I suppose. Thanks.
 
Making some progress. However I found that the studs for my stators were mixed as well as the nuts - seems one of the studs was from an earlier engine and the threads were incorrect for this case. So I will need to replace as well as find the correct nuts. One or more may have been a bit bent too since I couldn’t get the right clearance for the stator/rotor and hope new studs will help with this.
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Final drive chain question. I am trying to determine if my final drive chain is OK to use again - probably not. But using the directions from the Triumph workshop manual, section A13, it reads to check for excessive wear you, “scribe two marks on a flat table exactly 12 1/2 inches apart, place the chain opposite the two marks. When the chain is compressed to its minimum free length the marks should coincide with two pivot pins 20 links apart.” In the case of my old chain when I measure it against 12 1/2 inches I am only 19 links apart. So I am reading this as my chain is stretched way beyond where it should be. I am reading this correctly? Thanks.

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Final drive chain question. I am trying to determine if my final drive chain is OK to use again - probably not. But using the directions from the Triumph workshop manual, section A13, it reads to check for excessive wear you, “scribe two marks on a flat table exactly 12 1/2 inches apart, place the chain opposite the two marks. When the chain is compressed to its minimum free length the marks should coincide with two pivot pins 20 links apart.” In the case of my old chain when I measure it against 12 1/2 inches I am only 19 links apart. So I am reading this as my chain is stretched way beyond where it should be. I am reading this correctly? Thanks.

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Yep, new chain
 
Primary chain oiler tube (E4704) - I’m wondering if there is any advice about installing this tube. It seems that you simply insert the tube into the case oil feed opening and then into the clip (E4705) that holds the tube over the primary sprocket? I’d imagine it should be trimmed if it is too long? I am not sure if this was even on the bike when I took it apart. Thanks.

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