Horrible Tragedy at Fort Hood

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The entire concept of a "level playing field" is the worst joke ever perpetrated on a population by a hypocritical government.

The playing filed for "mere mortals" is at the lowest level, the field for monied interests is at the next level, and the field for those in power is light years above those others.

What I find puzzling is that the current government believes people who are rich, (and paying the vast majority of taxes that PAY for government), will continue to be rich even when their wealth is sucked dry in taxes!

oops, topic creep...
 
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Oh silly me! For a moment there I thought the playing fields were level!
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AHA! I misread your post.

Yes, each of the fields (plural) that I mentioned, can be made relatively level. That's what they are working on right now. Besides taxes going to fund the goverment (highest level playing field), they are also now going to huge corporations; GM might one day be level with Ford, once they've drawn off sufficient penalty from Ford's gross profits. Lastly, the bottom playing field will be level soon enough, when the entire population is totally under the thumb of government and no longer has any money that's not given to them by the state.

You think it's a joke? Just watch/read the news. it's happening RIGHT NOW. As unbelievable as it sounds, it's completely TRUE.
 
The latest background on this scumbag:

Hasan attended same radical mosque as 9/11 hijackers

A personnel file already teeming with red flags gets another giant one.

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother’s funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan’s eyes “lit up†when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.


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ABC News: FBI knew Hasan tried to contact Al-Qaeda

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan’s efforts.
 
Latest Update:

Hasan is awake and talking now.

I would love to see him tried in a Texas civilian court. Texas not only has the death penalty, they use it more than any other state in the USA. He would definitely get the death sentence by a jury of his Texan peers!

Of course, certain media outlets are still saying he is the ALLEGED shooter.

I also cannot believe that Gates said that it would be even worse if this hurt "diversity" in the military!!! What could be worse that 13 murdered? Hurting the feelings of some Muslims? Sheesh these people are clueless!
 
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Texas does have the death penalty. However, this looks like the Army will handle it - so far anyway. This case can go one of three ways - Army jurisdiction since it occurred on post and a solder is the perp; Texas jurisdiction since in occurred in Texas; and FBI jurisdiction since it occurred on federal property. It is the Army's call.

My guess is that DoD under pressure from on high will direct the Army to retain jurisdiction where the events and information can be somewhat controlled. There is a death penalty in Uniform Code of Military Justice; but it will not happen because he is a Muslim. Obama's Director of Homeland Security has already issued an edict that anyone retaliating against Muslims will be swiftness and vigorously prosecuted. She has not said a word about rooting out sleepers in the Armed Forces.
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If it's up to Obama, I think he might pin the Congressional Medal of Honor on him!


Who will get jurisdiction to try Hasan?

The answer to this question depends on how authorities see the murder of 13 people and wounding of dozens more on the Fort Hood military base last week. If Nidal Hasan committed a mass murder, then the military would have jurisdiction. However, if the Obama administration calls it a terrorist attack, then Johanna Neuman of the Los Angeles Times says that the Department of Justice might have overriding jurisdiction:

The question now: Who will prosecute him?

Tom Kenniff, a former Army JAG officer and Iraq war veteran who served in Tikrit, said Friday he thought the judge advocate general’s office on Ft. Hood will have exclusive jurisdiction over this case. “It’s possible he could also be charged by the Feds with committing an act of terrorism, but my guess is the Army will get first crack at him,†he said in an online chat for the Washington Post.

But Sunday, Connecticut Independent Joe Lieberman said the Homeland Security Committee he chairs will investigate whether federal officials missed any red flags that Hasan had become a terrorist threat. …

A finding of terrorism could trigger a decision by the Obama administration to take the case to federal court, and an admission that Hasan’s alleged action was the first act of terrorism on American soil since Sept. 11.

For those who see this as a terrorist act and want an execution, a military prosecution would probably prove less than satisfactory. The military is usually reluctant to impose the death penalty, although that option is open to prosecutors. They have not actually executed anyone for murder since 1961, although to be fair, they have not had this set of circumstances occur in that period, either.

However, the Obama administration may not be terribly anxious to declare this a terrorist attack, either. With information leaking all over the place about red flags popping up and a lack of any action on them, declaring this a terrorist attack would focus a lot more attention on why the Obama administration failed to stop it. Lieberman may demand a Congressional investigation, but a probe by this Congress would be unlikely to attack Barack Obama or his DoJ. Besides, with the revelation about the FBI’s knowledge of Hasan’s attempts to contact al-Qaeda over the last few months, a Justice prosecution could become suspect.

For that matter, this also demonstrates the problem with terms like “terrorism†— and “hate crimesâ€. The murder of 13 people and the wounding of dozens of others should be serious enough to carry with it the most severe penalties. What would be gained by adding terrorism charges that don’t already exist with mass murder? The motivation of Hasan may have some import for policy and security issues, but for a trial, it just muddies what are now crystal-clear waters.

In the end, I’d expect this to remain in the jurisdiction of the military. It would cause less disruption, create fewer questions, and would almost certainly get expedited over a DoJ process.


Note: This is actually the 2nd act of (Muslim) terrorism in the USA since 9-11.......the 1st being the guy that walked into a recruiting station in Arkansas and shot the occupants. But no one ever talks about that incident.
 
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News: he's getting a MILITARY trial.


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Yeah.....they'd have to label him a terrorist otherwise. There isn't such a thing as a terrorist in some people's minds.
 
That is actually a good thing. The jury selection process is a whole lot better than in the civilian justice system. The downside is that the administration can exert influence over a military trial. I hope the Army will seek the death penalty. The defense is already laying the ground work for a mental stress defense.
 
Senior Official: More Hasan Ties to People Under Investigation by FBI
Alleged Shooter Had "Unexplained Connections" to Others Besides Jihadist Cleric Awlaki

A senior government official tells ABC News that investigators have found that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan had "more unexplained connections to people being tracked by the FBI" than just radical cleric Anwar al Awlaki. The official declined to name the individuals but Congressional sources said their names and countries of origin were likely to emerge soon.

Questions already surround Major Hasan's contact with Awlaki, a radical cleric based in Yemen whom authorities consider a recruiter for al Qaeda. U.S. officials now confirm Hasan sent as many as 20 e-mails to Awlaki. Authorities intercepted the e-mails but later deemed them innocent or protected by the first amendment.

The FBI said it turned over the information to the Army, but Defense Department officials today denied that. One military investigator on a joint terror task force with the FBI was shown the e-mails, but they were never forwarded in a formal way to more senior officials at the Pentagon, and the Army did not learn of the contacts until after the shootings.

In Texas, an hour before a memorial service for the Fort Hood victims, four FBI agents showed up at the Killeen mosque where Hasan prayed and searched a trash bin outside. The mosque president was clearly upset when he had to return from traveling to the service to sign a document handed to him by agents, apparently authorizing the search.

The FBI would not comment on what the agents were looking for at the mosque a full five days after the shooting, but motivation remains the focus.

"Obviously, the key is did he act alone," former senior FBI official Brad Garrett told ABC News. "And secondarily is, what evidence might potentially be in the dumpsters or at the mosque."

"We're concerned any time a house of worship is searched in this fashion," said Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based civil rights group. "And we would follow up to see if there was probable cause for the search and if it was carried out in the appropriate and legal manner."

Agents had already seized Hasan's computer in a search of this apartment last Thursday night, and all of his internet contacts and writings are under examination.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Hasan gave a PowerPoint presentation to fellow Army doctors in 2007 in which he said, "It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims." He recommended that Muslim soldiers be given the option of being released from the military as conscientious objectors to decrease what he called "adverse events." Under "comments," he wrote, "We love death more than you love life."
 
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A senior government official tells ABC News that investigators have found that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan had "more unexplained connections to people being tracked by the FBI" than just radical cleric Anwar al Awlaki.

It really irks me when the term 'alledged shooter' is used. There's nothing alledged about his guilt - he did it, there are 13 dead bodies as proof and hundreds of witnesses. How can he now be the alledged shooter??? The same thing happens here - alledged denotes there may be some doubt as to whether he is guilty or not - like possible shooter!!! I understand the legalities of this but it irks me nonetherless. :angry: :angry: :angry:
 
Gromit, the "alleged" bit is for legal purposes. Under our Constitution, a person is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law. Using "alleged" protects the media from liability and eliminates a defense objection of a prejudiced trail. The US is run by lawyers.
 
Hasan charged with premeditated murder

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111208617.html?wprss=rss_nation

FORT HOOD, Tex. -- Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of opening fire on soldiers at Fort Hood last week, has been charged with premeditated murder in the deaths of 12 soldiers and a civilian and could face other charges, an Army official said Thursday.

Christopher Grey, a spokesman for the Army's Criminal Investigation Division and for the joint task force investigating the crime, said Hasan "has been charged with 13 specifications of premeditated murder under Article 118 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice." He told a news conference that "additional charges may be preferred in the future."

Article 118 covers premeditated murder, for which the maximum penalty under the military justice system is death and the mandatory minimum is life imprisonment with eligibility for parole.

Grey described the murder charges as "the first step in the court martial process" and emphasized that a multi-agency investigation of the Nov. 5 shooting continues. He indicated that investigators have not yet settled on a motive for the massacre.

"We're looking at every reason for this shooting," he said. "We're aggressively following every possible lead."

Grey added: "We still believe that there was only one gunman at the scene involved in the actual shootings." The statement left open the possibility that someone else instigated the attack. Investigators have been examining Hasan's relationship with a radical Muslim prayer leader who formerly served at a Northern Virginia mosque that Hasan attended for a time in 2001. Hasan lived in the Washington area while he was working at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the District.

Grey said he would not release any details that might jeopardize the investigation or the eventual legal proceedings. But he suggested one argument for premeditation when he told reporters that Hasan did not have any legitimate reason to be at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center last Thursday.

"We do know that the suspect was not at the Readiness Center for any scheduled appointments or command-directed activity," Grey said as he stood with representatives of other agencies investigating the crime, including the FBI and Texas Rangers.

Authorities have said Hasan will be tried in a military court because he is a service member, the shooting took place on an Army post, and all of those slain were Defense Department personnel. Of the 13 who died, four were officers, eight were enlisted soldiers and one was a retired chief warrant officer who was working as a civilian at Fort Hood.

Hasan, 39, allegedly opened fire Nov. 5 with two handguns on unarmed soldiers who were preparing for deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. The attack at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center also left 38 people wounded. It has been described as the deadliest mass shooting at a U.S. military installation.

The rampage ended when Hasan was shot by civilian police who responded to the scene. Hasan was subsequently flown to an Army hospital in San Antonio, where he has been reported in stable condition as he recovers from four gunshot wounds.

Grey said Thursday that both responding police officers -- Sgt. Kimberly Munley and Senior Sgt. Mark Todd -- "engaged the armed suspect" and shot him after encountering him outside the Readiness Center, but the spokesman declined to specify "who did what" in the exchange of fire, saying those details would have to wait until all evidence is analyzed. Munley was wounded in her right hand and both legs in the shooting, which she described in a television interview Thursday morning.

Grey said some witnesses are still undergoing medical treatment and have not yet spoken with investigators.

Army Col. John Rossi, the deputy commander of Fort Hood, said 12 soldiers remain hospitalized, one of them in intensive care. He said all are "in stable condition at this time."

Grey said Hasan "is currently under pretrial restriction while receiving medical care."

Hasan has refused to talk to Army or FBI investigators, authorities said. He requested legal representation and met with two attorneys. His civilian lawyer, retired Col. John P. Galligan, has said he would not permit Hasan to be questioned without a defense attorney present.

Officials at Brooke Army Medical Center at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio said Hasan was taken off a ventilator Saturday after arriving the day before from a hospital in Temple, Tex. A spokeswoman at Brooke said Monday, "He is in stable condition, and he is conversing with the medical staff, the doctors and nurses who are assisting with his medical needs."

Galligan, who was hired by Hasan's family, and Maj. Christopher E. Martin, Fort Hood's senior defense attorney, met with Hasan for about half an hour Monday night at Brooke. Galligan later questioned whether Hasan could get a fair trial at Fort Hood.

The attorney said his client knew he was a suspect in the Fort Hood shootings but that there were no formal charges at the time that could be discussed at the Monday meeting.

Colleagues and relatives have said that Hasan, a U.S.-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and was upset about his own looming deployment to Afghanistan. Relatives also said he had been harassed because of his religion.

At the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen outside Fort Hood, another soldier had vandalized Hasan's car and tore off a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love," prompting Hasan to file a complaint to police, a co-manager of the complex said. The soldier had been in Iraq and reportedly was upset to learn that Hasan was Muslim.

Residents of the complex said Hasan gave away furniture, food, clothes and other belongings on Wednesday and Thursday before the shootings, telling neighbors he was going to be deployed to Afghanistan on Friday.

Hours after Hasan gave an air mattress and other items to his next-door neighbor, Patricia Villa, and offered her money to clean his apartment after he left, he allegedly opened fire at the Fort Hood processing center.

Prosecutors are expected to focus in part on Hasan's actions at the apartment complex before the shootings as they seek to prove premeditation.
 
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