This Is For Uk Riders

[Mad On Triumphs]

This is a MAG petition.


I would like to see the requirement to re-take the Compulsory Bike Training every two years removed. It is pointless to have to retake training, when the learning process is continued by the Rider once he or she is given the initial pass certificate by the test centre. Further training is unnecessary, as the learning process is part of riding the bike. Once the initial skills are learned, nothing more can be gained from further re-testing. This is just a licence for the testing centres to print money. At approximately £100 every 2 years, this is a cost that is hard to bear for some young Motorcyclists, and is putting people off riding a cheap environmentally friendly form of transport.


Here is the link should you wish to sign, please pass on to anybody who you think would like to sign as well


Scrap the requirement to re-take a CBT every 2 years - e-petitions

 

[Rocky]

I agree, this seems silly to me.

 

[otherwise]

I disagree with your comments about ongoing training.
I'm not inclined to go on about my riding history but it's reasonably extensive. Enough to say during my 23 years riding for a living we were given basic refresher training sessions every two years. I always looked for that gem or reminder of that thing that I'd forgotten. I always finished that training day a safer rider than the day before. Others went to these days with an attitude similar to the one I'm getting from your post and came away with nothing.
I sure hope you take my comments positively, the next time you do the training that one little thing may stick with you.
Just thinking about my two year sessions and yours, I was paid to do mine, you pay 100 quid, that may colour your approach.

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

The comments are not mine but someone who has started a petition, Over the years in the UK motorcyclist has been well and truly screwed by successive governments and the wonderfully undemocratic European Parliament with draconian rules. What gets our goat is that a biker over here can't go from passing his/her test to a high power bike ( Something that could have serious consequences I know ) until they reach a certain age, but a 17 year old can pass his/her car test and daddy can buy him/her a Ferrari and off they can go. I somehow don't think that the car driver is any safer than the motorcyclist.
Motorcyclist can't pass their test over here without proper training, and who in their right mind could argue against that. However, daddy can take the son or daughter out in his or her car with L plates on and drive around in a car that has no due controls, so if anything happens the passenger ( Who more than likely isn't qualified to teach anyone ) has no way of controlling the car to avoid an accident. This in my book is down right dangerous.
It comes down to being fair. I totally agree with you about training, and all the benefits that come with it. It just seems to us over here, however misguided it might be, that this is just a money making exercise and not much else.
As to you being worried about how I would take your comments, this sound daft, but we are many different people on this forum as you well know, and we all have different views and opinions. And long may that last too. If we all had the same opinion what on earth would we write about.
I'm about to post a video of the Canadian Lancaster at Coningsby now. Then off to bed.
Night Night

 

[otherwise]

It seems to me (after reading your reply) that the creator of the petition should divert their enthusiasm to petitioning for car drivers getting the same restrictions as bike riders.

The reality of the situation (as seen by Otherwise). Politicians have no backbone and follow the unthinking masses in society to ensure reelection. Nothing will change this so I'll sit back and work as best as I can within the system rather than become angry unsuccessfully fighting it.
It's easier to the find the loopholes to use to your own advantage than bang your head against a brick wall. I'm too old to fight but old enough to out think them.

 

[gumpt1oo]

I can understand where the creator of the petition is coming from, and I can see your point about it being much easier to learn to drive a car.
But if a learner motorcyclist passes his motorcycle test within the 2 yrs of taking the CBT, there is no requirement to retake the CBT every 2 yrs.
So, if I understand it correctly, it will only effect riders who do not pass there full motorcycle test in the 2 yr period.

 

[DaveM]

When I started riding there was no thing as rider training we got on the bike and learned as we went along. We all have our own techniques of riding and I suppose if we look at the years we have been riding without serious repercussions I suppose we can say what we learned has worked for us. At one time I started reading about all these techniques and wondered what these people were on about only to find out they were things that I had been doing for years.

You tend to get riders that just fit into riding a bike and others that just cannot get their head around it no matter what, they just don't feel it. So I have found while reading about some of the riding techniques I tend to over think things that for years I have done without giving much thought to. So this in turn seems to make me second guess what has always just worked for me. However I suppose some riders can never get enough training as I mentioned they just don't fit riding a bike.

 

[otherwise]

I may have told this story before ... sorry if you recall.
When I went for my riding test the official (standing on a corner) failed me because I put my foot to the ground while waiting to make a turn across the oncoming traffic. I had him explain the reason for the fail. I then pointed out bikes had only two wheels and required a third contact with the ground (my foot) to prevent falling over. He had a think about it for 5 seconds and changed his mind and gave me a pass.
My, how things have changed.

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

I too took my test ( In reality it wasn't a test as such ) with the chap on the corner. The examiner that tested you couldn't have been the sharpest knife in the draw, if you had to point out that motorbikes only had two wheels, did he feel a bit embarrassed afterwords ?.

 

[otherwise]

I too took my test ( In reality it wasn't a test as such ) with the chap on the corner. The examiner that tested you couldn't have been the sharpest knife in the draw, if you had to point out that motorbikes only had two wheels, did he feel a bit embarrassed afterwords ?.

No mate, he was Australian and we don't think too hard.

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

 

[otherwise]

When the same bloke was testing me for my car I recall slowing for pedestrians at a crossing and he said (I kid you not!) ...
"Don't drag them off the footpath!"

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

Could it be that they had too much Grog ( Could be incorrect spelling )

 

[otherwise]

No mate, one can never have too much grog.

These stories are from the late 60's and it was a different world back then. Honestly, I've raced police on similar bikes to mine, the deal was beat them and it's thumbs up, lose and you're booked. It was all a big game in those days.
In the 70's when I road raced in national events (and occasionally against internationals) we'd all get together after the last race and smoke pot, great times all spoiled by money.
These days people take themselves too seriously.

 

[otherwise]

during my 23 years riding for a living we were given basic refresher training sessions every two years.

Haaa Haaa, Looking at some old photos with a belly full of red wine I came across this one, was taken in the for-mentioned 23 years.
Wow that was a long time ago, I retied 7 years ago.

 

[DaveM]

lol I remember those Honda's from way back then

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

Wow what a mean looking dude. Oz post Angels, Delivery Chapter

 

[Mad On Triumphs]

I thought that I'd put the cost down of learning to ride a motorcycle in the UK. I have copy'd this information from another forum that I'm on. The member posted this in depth explanation of the amount of time and cost.
It would be interesting to know how much it costs you in your respective country's to get a motorcycle licence.

Its all getting very costly and complicated whilst putting young people of riding bikes. The future of motorcycling is under threat and keen young riders are being lost. I am all for training the more the better! but its all getting out of hand and nonsensical
My son at sixteen had to take a CBT (Great

This states :
"You must take and pass the theory and motorcycle tests in 2 years. If you don’t pass both parts of your practical test within 2 years of taking theory test, then you’ll have to start the process again."
OK so at seventeen he moves on to a 125 his CBT covers him and he can ride for one more year or he has to have another CBT but he wants to be able to take his girlfriend on the back so he does his test
Theory Test
Part 1 practical
Part 2 practical
And burns the L plates

Ahhhh but now at 19 he can buy a bike up to 48 BHP Yippee!
But now has to put the L plates back on and do a CBT

and to take the girlfriend he has to take
Theory Test (if over two years from the last test)
Part 1 practical
Part 2 practical
And burns the L plates

Hes getting old now at 21 and can at last have a bike over 48bhp
After you guessed it
Part 1 practical
Part 2 practical
And we wonder when we go to any bike meeting why were all grey haired old BS
Training YES but not like this!!!

The following is the cost to the rider

The cost of the tests are
CBT approx £120
Theory £31
Practical module 1 (off-road) test 15.50
Practical module 2 (on-road) test £75 - £88.50
In the situation of my son above the total cost would be approx £544 not including any training in preparation for the tests.
It is not possible to take the tests in one go unless you are at least 24 years old!
They have banded the power of the bikes and the tests to the age of the rider.
So at sixteen you can only ride:

• a 50cc and have a top speed of no more than 28mph

At seventeen to nineteen years of age:

• be between 120cc and 125cc
• be no more than 11kW engine power
• be capable of at least 55mph

At nineteen to twenty one:

• be at least 395cc
• be between 20kW and 35kW engine power
• have a power to weight ratio no more than 0.2kW/kg

At twenty one:

• be a solo motorcycle
• be at least 595cc
• be at least 40kW engine power

If your over 24 you can take the direct access route.
If like my son "an enthusiast" who has been riding pillion since six years old and riding off road since seven, the above is the only way to go if you want to carry a pillion you need to pass a test for each band of motorcycle.
I attend as many gatherings with bikes as I can, it saddens me to see the average age of motorcyclists today. When I was young it was balanced the other way and don't get me wrong I am in favor of training both voluntary and compulsory so long as it is productive and is fit for purpose.....in my mind the current situation is NOT and its deterring young people from getting on bikes.

 

[DaveM]

The cost is huge I agree with you but I do agree with the staggered idea of the size of bike you can ride at different ages. This side when I started riding you could get you licence for a 50cc at 16 years. Then at different18 years a big bike exceeding 50cc . I do remember having to pay full price for both test but cannot remember the cost. I believe the cc value and age has since changed but have no idea how.

 

[gumpt1oo]

I had no idea there are all those tests and categories! No wonder my nephew is not bothering with a bike and is taking his car test.
A very sad state of affairs indeed.