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Does the new 2024 Tiger 900 still have that g-d awful T-Plane crank?
The Triumph website does not say.

I despair that the purple-haired Triumph wokites, would take a smooth triple and deliberately make it lumpy and vibratory.

Is Triumph pining for the old days, when all their models vibrated themselves to bits?
Is that the goal - to make the old-guard riders feel at home with numb bums and white finger?

I cannot think of any other reason.
Perhaps they should give me a reason why I should not to buy a smooth BMW instead.

Rod
 
I never found a boxer engine to be smooth.

It should be smooth - it is in primary balance, with a symmetric firing interval.
I have always found the modern BMW boxer to be very smooth.
Although the aero-VW or aero-Lycoming engine is not so smooth.

There is a rocking couple on the twin-boxer, due the offset crank, but that is fairly minor.

R
 
Only a test ride, if you haven't had one, will tell you if you like the newer engine.

I had a 900 from 4 years ago, and it was gutless and stalled while going around slow roundabouts.
Zero torque from the peaky engine.
(This is supposed to be a mud-plugger. How do you mud-plug, if it will not even go around a roundabout..?)

So I bought a 1200, and that stalls too, if you are not careful.
Not sure how Triumph made a 1200 gutless, but they did...!

R
 
Does the new 2024 Tiger 900 still have that g-d awful T-Plane crank?
The Triumph website does not say.

I despair that the purple-haired Triumph wokites, would take a smooth triple and deliberately make it lumpy and vibratory.

Is Triumph pining for the old days, when all their models vibrated themselves to bits?
Is that the goal - to make the old-guard riders feel at home with numb bums and white finger?

I cannot think of any other reason.
Perhaps they should give me a reason why I should not to buy a smooth BMW instead.

Rod
I would have thought the reason they went to the T Plane crank was obvious, it's to give it more low down torque & increase engine braking when riding off-road. I had the 800 with the silky smooth road bike engine & it was terrible off-road. Luv my 850SP, the vibration is minimal compared to a KTM & is easily disguised with a few simple mods. Long live the T Plane crank :D
 
I would have thought the reason they went to the T Plane crank was obvious, it's to give it more low down torque & increase engine braking when riding off-road. Long live the T Plane crank :D

Please do tell us how a T-Plane crank increases torque.

It does nothing of the sort - that is just a sales pitch. The only thing an uneven firing interval can do, is ‘relax’ the tyre rubber during the long firing interval gap. But even that cannot work above 2500 rpm, as the rubber is not that quick to readjust.

Face facts, the T-Plane crank is a sales gimmick, to produce a different exhaust note that will appeal to the purple-haired children in the Triumph design department. That is all it does.

The problem is it reintroduces the hand-tingling and component destroying vibration of the 1970s Triumph twins. Remember that it was the vibration and oil leaks that sunk old Triumph, and it will be the newly designed-in vibration that sinks new Triumph.

R
 
Please do tell us how a T-Plane crank increases torque.

It does nothing of the sort - that is just a sales pitch. The only thing an uneven firing interval can do, is ‘relax’ the tyre rubber during the long firing interval gap. But even that cannot work above 2500 rpm, as the rubber is not that quick to readjust.

Face facts, the T-Plane crank is a sales gimmick, to produce a different exhaust note that will appeal to the purple-haired children in the Triumph design department. That is all it does.

The problem is it reintroduces the hand-tingling and component destroying vibration of the 1970s Triumph twins. Remember that it was the vibration and oil leaks that sunk old Triumph, and it will be the newly designed-in vibration that sinks new Triumph.

R
Something must be off if you are experiencing hand tingling and component destroying vibration. My 2021 Tiger has a touch more vibration than my 1250GS but nothing I find bothersome at all. Having owned and ridden Triumph twins in the 60's and 70's if you are experiencing vibration like that something is really wrong.

Chuck
 
Something must be off if you are experiencing hand tingling and component destroying vibration.

Chuck

Then why does the 2024 edition have rubber mounts for the handlebars?

Face facts, Triumph took a naturally smooth engine and deliberately made it lumpy, to maintain is long tradition of g-d awful vibrationary engines that shake the bike apart and give you white finger.

Rubber mounted handlebars are not a solution, to poor engine design.

R
 
Then why does the 2024 edition have rubber mounts for the handlebars?

Face facts, Triumph took a naturally smooth engine and deliberately made it lumpy, to maintain is long tradition of g-d awful vibrationary engines that shake the bike apart and give you white finger.

Rubber mounted handlebars are not a solution, to poor engine design.

R
The newer T plane cranks may be a bit rougher than the last generation 800s, but I doubt it's that bothersome and nothing like the vibrations from the 50-70 Triumphs that you claim Triumph is trying to emulate. Engine tech has come a long way since then, and no manufacturer today would imitate that.
Triumph is trying to build what they believe most buyers will want out of their bikes, that includes making them as light as possible, which means engine crankshafts and flywheels are light for quicker engine response and lighter weight.
These are not "Mud plugger" bikes. They are road bikes with some off road capabilities. Nothing that weighs 500+lbs is going to be good in the rough stuff. They are capable, but with limitations. The rider, weight of the bike, terrain, and tires will determine how much of the rough stuff it can safely negotiate.
I have had my 1200 down some pretty rough trails. Was it a challenge? Most definitely. A work out? Oh heck yeah! But I spend most of my time on the hardpack or tarmac, where in my opinion, this bike shines. Handles great, is comfortable for the long haul and can take me where most street bikes cannot, or should not, go.
If you want a more torquey motor, perhaps a long stroke V twin like the Harley Pan America would suit your tastes better, or the big twinned 1200 scramblers would be more to your liking.
I have not stalled out while in motion, even during slow traffic conditions. Ocassionally, I may forget to drop a gear and lugged the engine or didn't slip the clutch a bit more, and stalled out. But that's me and my fault. Not the bike's for me exceeding it's design parameters.
And rubber mounted handlebars are used for lessening road roughness and bumps AS WELL as reducing engine vibrations, so I would have to applaud Triumph for this new feature.
Stump pulling torque is rarely found on a motorbike. Especially one with a 10,000 RPM redline. If you want more torque look elsewhere: Tractors, semi trucks, and locomotives, come to mind. The Tiger line is NOT one of the aforementioned choices.
 
The newer T plane cranks may be a bit rougher than the last generation 800s, but I doubt it's that bothersome and nothing like the vibrations from the 50-70 Triumphs that you claim Triumph is trying to emulate. Engine tech has come a long way since then, and no manufacturer today would imitate that.
Triumph is trying to build what they believe most buyers will want out of their bikes, that includes making them as light as possible, which means engine crankshafts and flywheels are light for quicker engine response and lighter weight.
These are not "Mud plugger" bikes. They are road bikes with some off road capabilities. Nothing that weighs 500+lbs is going to be good in the rough stuff. They are capable, but with limitations. The rider, weight of the bike, terrain, and tires will determine how much of the rough stuff it can safely negotiate.
I have had my 1200 down some pretty rough trails. Was it a challenge? Most definitely. A work out? Oh heck yeah! But I spend most of my time on the hardpack or tarmac, where in my opinion, this bike shines. Handles great, is comfortable for the long haul and can take me where most street bikes cannot, or should not, go.
If you want a more torquey motor, perhaps a long stroke V twin like the Harley Pan America would suit your tastes better, or the big twinned 1200 scramblers would be more to your liking.
I have not stalled out while in motion, even during slow traffic conditions. Ocassionally, I may forget to drop a gear and lugged the engine or didn't slip the clutch a bit more, and stalled out. But that's me and my fault. Not the bike's for me exceeding it's design parameters.
And rubber mounted handlebars are used for lessening road roughness and bumps AS WELL as reducing engine vibrations, so I would have to applaud Triumph for this new feature.
Stump pulling torque is rarely found on a motorbike. Especially one with a 10,000 RPM redline. If you want more torque look elsewhere: Tractors, semi trucks, and locomotives, come to mind. The Tiger line is NOT one of the aforementioned choices.
Very well stated. TUP
 
The mirrors on my Tiger 900 are solid mounted to the solid mounted handlebars. I do not notice any vibration, fuzziness or anything but a clear view in them at any speed. There is certainly no "component destroying vibration". I can't speak to the 1200 but I suspect rodders has not spent any time riding a 900 Tiger.

Chuck
 
The mirrors on my Tiger 900 are solid mounted to the solid mounted handlebars. I do not notice any vibration, fuzziness or anything but a clear view in them at any speed. There is certainly no "component destroying vibration". I can't speak to the 1200 but I suspect rodders has not spent any time riding a 900 Tiger.

Chuck
Think it's the newest generation '24 models that have the rubber isolated bars that he was referring to.
 
Think it's the newest generation '24 models that have the rubber isolated bars that he was referring to.
I realize that. He is claiming that was done on the 24 models because of the excessive vibration caused by crankshaft design and the firing order on the 900's. I was just pointing out that at least on my bike the vibration is so minimal that even the mirrors are clear at any speed. A far cry from "hand-tingling and component destroying vibration".

Chuck
 
It’s hard to believe any modern motorcycle engine regardless of the design will vibrate the same as a 1950’s , 1960’s or even a 1970’s motorcycle. Even though I wasn’t riding in that period, I do recall you could visually and through sound tell that the motorcycles vibrated. While my twin cylinder Thruxton may look similar and configured in an esthetician recall the past, if there’s vibration I know something needs adjusting and checking. An in tune and road checked Triumph isn’t likely to vibrate apart. That’s just my opinion, but I suspect there would be plenty of law suits if that was the case.
 
Stump pulling torque is rarely found on a motorbike. Especially one with a 10,000 RPM redline. If you want more torque look elsewhere: Tractors, semi trucks, and locomotives, come to mind. The Tiger line is NOT one of the aforementioned choices.

So why does it have a 10,000 rpm redline?
Simply to emulate other manufacturers performance figures?
Not a good rationale.

The problem is that Triumph have made a GT - I hope you know what GT stands for. A GT is a gentleman's carriage, to speed you to your destination in pampered and relaxed comfort. A GT is not a race-bike for the track, so why fit a buzzy race engine, to a GT? And why make that race engine even more lumpy that it may naturally be, and attach it to a GT?

What Triumph have produced is neither a GT, and nor is it a Rally - as you freely admit.

So what is this bike?
It appears to be a £20k bike made to appeal to a purple haired zoomer, who will not be able to afford one for another 20 years. The only people who can afford this top of range luxury, are people who want a GT, not a race bike.

Note: A larger diameter crank does not have to be heavier - the increased radius allows for increased energy storage, without a weight increase (mv2).

R
 
Rodders,
If you don’t like the 900 buy something else.

I put 22,500 miles on my 2022Tiger 900 in one year, off road, interstates, and twisties, plus a certified Iron Butt Association Saddle Sore 1000 (1000 miles in a day).

Just finished 9,000 mile round trip to Newfoundland from Dallas via the Trans Labrador Highway. Seat not as comfortable as my VTX or RSV but everything else I like.
 
There’s plenty of other bikes in the market for sure. Triumph worldwide sales last year set records.
https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/triumph-reports-record-breaking-global-sales-in-2022/It would seem Triumph is giving a good chunk of what people look for in a motorcycle. If Triumph doesn’t appeal for whatever reason, then as noted by other, other brands exist. Buying anything is a matter of balancing wants.
As for GT, Grand tourer - Wikipedia
there has always been a performance element involved with the name. I don’t see a contradiction in a GT motorcycle having a performance engine.
Also manufacturers do odd things for sales gimmicks. I have a 2009 MINI JCW, performance model MINI. The manufacturer made the cabin so quiet that it needed to create a “noise maker” to siphon engine noise into the cabin. The public wanted to have the sporty sound. It robs the engine of a slight amount of power. People here know I mod a bit, I pulled the damn thing out and cleaned up the system. That’s the beauty of working on cars or motorcycles, if it’s not like you want it exactly then mod it. When I bought that MINI in 2008 it was not cheap, it was the most expensive MINI available, near 50k in dollars. I started working on it before the four year warranty ran out. That’s another story.
Basically one buys what fits most of their criteria and then make it your own. That has always been the case, just look back at what people did to motorcycles in the past. Mods and mods, either performance or esthetics, anything that made it into the ride one wanted. Personally never really thought choppers were that great, but I’ve seen some really creative ones back in the day.
Buy what you like, no point in forcing oneself to get a motorcycle one already feels isn’t the one for them. Plenty other brands out there to choose from. As long as Triumph sells as it has, I doubt the direction of the lines will change. Why should they, the market place has spoken in favor of their strategy regardless of the issues brought up in this tread. Even those issues have been pointed out as not being universally accepted as issue. We all had pet peeves. Prioritize.
 
Buy what you like, no point in forcing oneself to get a motorcycle one already feels isn’t the one for them.
Plenty other brands out there to choose from.

I already have the bike - a 1200.
I thought I would get a smooth triple, to replace my lumpy Bonny.
But I got a lumpy triple instead, which was a profound disappointment.
And they would not take it back.

R
 

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