by an off duty Seattle cop, a member of the Iron Pigs MC
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103470_sturgiscop10m.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103470_sturgiscop10m.html
Hells Angel Memeber Shot in Sturgis
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Alcohol, weapons, police, and 1%ers. Bad mix.
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Amen to THAT Brother!
Alcohol, weapons, police, and 1%ers. Bad mix.
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Amen to THAT Brother!
littleloon
Active Member
Hell's Angles always seem to attract that kind of attention??????? :y72:
I would say those off duty cops are in some deep do-do with their department.
Ah, the Seattle link I read did not have the full story.
I was thinking the same thing fuzzy.
Plus, there are a few arrogant cops who think they are invincible. I hope the cops didn't "diss" a Hell's Angel and start it all, but I could imagine a scenario where that might happen.
Plus, there are a few arrogant cops who think they are invincible. I hope the cops didn't "diss" a Hell's Angel and start it all, but I could imagine a scenario where that might happen.
Yes, "diss" is showing disrespect. I am not a 1%'er nor am I a wannabe or poseur 1%'er; but I do respect the fact that the 1%'ers have earned their patches and I respect their loyalty. I don't agree with the lifestyle nor the attitude toward the law and law enforcement officers. I rarely encounter HA's because this is Outlaw and Black Piston country. There is immense hatred here between LEO's and LEO MC's vs. the 1%'er MC's. As Fuzzy stated above, having LEO's and 1%'ers in the same place at the same time is not a good idea. Add alcohol and weapons and it is, indeed, a recipe for disaster.
It is not true, at least here, that off duty LEO's are under the same concealed carry laws as civilians. Florida law allows off duty LEO's to carry concealed without a concealed carry license. And that makes sense. LEO's can easily be targets for revenge and they are supposed to be proficient in handling firearms. Since I was not present in the incident under discussion, I have no idea who started what. But whatever started the fracas, alcohol and firearms do not mix - whether it is a LEO or a 1%'er.
It is not true, at least here, that off duty LEO's are under the same concealed carry laws as civilians. Florida law allows off duty LEO's to carry concealed without a concealed carry license. And that makes sense. LEO's can easily be targets for revenge and they are supposed to be proficient in handling firearms. Since I was not present in the incident under discussion, I have no idea who started what. But whatever started the fracas, alcohol and firearms do not mix - whether it is a LEO or a 1%'er.
Kevin, you need to read up on the entire Motorcycle Club history to fully understand it.
Although I HATE the current overuse/misuse of the terms "respect" and "brother(hood)", some people are quite serious about it; and if you got the slightest bit confrontational about it such as actually voicing your last post in the presence of a 1%'er, you'd find yourself in trouble you didn't think possible for something so "trivial".
If a person, a non-1%'er, is overtly vocal about "earning" or "demanding" respect, instead of just being who they are and letting it happen by itself, they are on the wrong road. The 1%'ers earn it and demand it in thier own way, with might to back it up. The rest of us better just stick to what we know.
That's one of the best things about CMA (Christian Motorcyclists Association); the first thing you do to become a member is to go through the training series, and one of the first lessons is on M/C history and how to treat the whole scene. 1%'ers stay clear of CMA because they understand the power behind our patch, and it has nothing to do with physical weapons. I didn't "earn" thier respect, I don't "demand" thier respect, I wear a patch that represents a demand for respect for somebody more powerful than any M/C or eweapon, and they understand that. If I violate the terms of the patch I'm wearing, I'm going down in flames like any other person who has crossed the line.
As far as this cop vs HA thing, it's a battle that goes on. This guy, I'm sure, is in deep trouble with his superiors AND the local muppets.
Although I HATE the current overuse/misuse of the terms "respect" and "brother(hood)", some people are quite serious about it; and if you got the slightest bit confrontational about it such as actually voicing your last post in the presence of a 1%'er, you'd find yourself in trouble you didn't think possible for something so "trivial".
If a person, a non-1%'er, is overtly vocal about "earning" or "demanding" respect, instead of just being who they are and letting it happen by itself, they are on the wrong road. The 1%'ers earn it and demand it in thier own way, with might to back it up. The rest of us better just stick to what we know.
That's one of the best things about CMA (Christian Motorcyclists Association); the first thing you do to become a member is to go through the training series, and one of the first lessons is on M/C history and how to treat the whole scene. 1%'ers stay clear of CMA because they understand the power behind our patch, and it has nothing to do with physical weapons. I didn't "earn" thier respect, I don't "demand" thier respect, I wear a patch that represents a demand for respect for somebody more powerful than any M/C or eweapon, and they understand that. If I violate the terms of the patch I'm wearing, I'm going down in flames like any other person who has crossed the line.
As far as this cop vs HA thing, it's a battle that goes on. This guy, I'm sure, is in deep trouble with his superiors AND the local muppets.
fuzzy
Well-Known Member
GP: You speak volumes of truth.
The term "respect" is way over used, not unlike "hero." At any rate, I "respect" MC patchholders by giving them LOTS OF ROOM. Anymore, there are very few places that I am likely to be where they will be also. Those few places are not the kinds of places where trouble is likely to start.
Many of those guys are veterans, and I do respect that. Many are also engaged in ongoing criminal activity which amounts to domestic terrorism. I admire the fierce loyalty, but have to wonder how things would be different if that same loyalty and energy were channelled toward a cause more spiritually and socially redeeming.
No matter what the law says about freedom of expression and individual liberties, the truth remains that, in the eyes of the MC patchholder, when you ride a bike on a public highway or go anywhere they are, you are in their world and subject to their rules. That said, it makes sense to become familiar enough with their world to avoid confrontation.
There is much information on this subject on the web. Just Google "Motorcycle Club Etiquette" and you will be bombarded with information.
The term "respect" is way over used, not unlike "hero." At any rate, I "respect" MC patchholders by giving them LOTS OF ROOM. Anymore, there are very few places that I am likely to be where they will be also. Those few places are not the kinds of places where trouble is likely to start.
Many of those guys are veterans, and I do respect that. Many are also engaged in ongoing criminal activity which amounts to domestic terrorism. I admire the fierce loyalty, but have to wonder how things would be different if that same loyalty and energy were channelled toward a cause more spiritually and socially redeeming.
No matter what the law says about freedom of expression and individual liberties, the truth remains that, in the eyes of the MC patchholder, when you ride a bike on a public highway or go anywhere they are, you are in their world and subject to their rules. That said, it makes sense to become familiar enough with their world to avoid confrontation.
There is much information on this subject on the web. Just Google "Motorcycle Club Etiquette" and you will be bombarded with information.
All I was saying was that you don't want to cross a Hell's Angel because you will have to fight him and the rest of them as well.
I have always gotten along fine with them because I do and say NOTHING that could be construed as disrespect toward any of them, their bikes, or their gang.
For example, you could simply bump into one of them in a crowded bar. That could lead to a brawl depending on how you react. I'm no coward, but I also don't need the crap associated with not simply saying your sorry. It's much easier and possibly less detrimental to your physical well-being to just apologize.
Anyone with any sense knows it's not going to end amicably if you get cocky with one.......so if you do, you are actually the one to blame.
I just avoid those situations completely.
I have always gotten along fine with them because I do and say NOTHING that could be construed as disrespect toward any of them, their bikes, or their gang.
For example, you could simply bump into one of them in a crowded bar. That could lead to a brawl depending on how you react. I'm no coward, but I also don't need the crap associated with not simply saying your sorry. It's much easier and possibly less detrimental to your physical well-being to just apologize.
Anyone with any sense knows it's not going to end amicably if you get cocky with one.......so if you do, you are actually the one to blame.
I just avoid those situations completely.
AJ, I'm with you all the way. Everyone that rides in North America should take GrandPaul's and Fuzzy's advice. Read those websites.
Actually, just minding your own business is 99% of "respecting" them.
Reporting crime is seperate and apart from this whole conversation. You don't need to confront them to deal with them.
Reporting crime is seperate and apart from this whole conversation. You don't need to confront them to deal with them.
Sunshine Jim
Member
H.A., 1% etc.
did a lot of work for the club whan i had my custom shop in Oakland.
the motorheads were a friendly bunch, but there were a few patch holders that were flat out dangerous... to anyone.
the original boozefighters were mostly post WW2 desert hill climbers/racers.
modern club has slid into areas quite a bit off our usual run.
i miss quite a few of the old timers.
give the rest a wide berth.
incredible choppers.
did a lot of work for the club whan i had my custom shop in Oakland.
the motorheads were a friendly bunch, but there were a few patch holders that were flat out dangerous... to anyone.
the original boozefighters were mostly post WW2 desert hill climbers/racers.
modern club has slid into areas quite a bit off our usual run.
i miss quite a few of the old timers.
give the rest a wide berth.
incredible choppers.
[quote author=grandpaul link=topic=1027.msg6922#msg6922 date=1218658690]
Actually, just minding your own business is 99% of "respecting" them.
Reporting crime is seperate and apart from this whole conversation. You don't need to confront them to deal with them.
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My sentiments exactly!
Actually, just minding your own business is 99% of "respecting" them.
Reporting crime is seperate and apart from this whole conversation. You don't need to confront them to deal with them.
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My sentiments exactly!
