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I was watching a Youtube of a chap who restores old British bikes working on 500 BSA single. Seen him before, he's good. He mentioned he chucks in half a cup of Castor oil with the Petrol. Admits not sure if it helps but says it smells nice. As I happen to have a gallon of Castor oil (I use it with Methanol and Nitro in RC engines) I gave it a go. I mixed it with a jug of petrol first of course. Really not sure if it made a difference, zero smoke and no oldy worldy smell of Castor Oil. No idea on sensible ratio. I reckon to get the smell it would need to smoke first. Lubricate valve stems or simply gum up the works? Back in the UK my brother raced a Jap Speedway bike some 50 years ago. Castor Oil with a total loss system. Once smelt never forgotten. Did wonders for the sale of Fish & Chips at the tracks. Ever smelt a diesel running on old cooking oil, smells great but the Excise Police soon catch on to the use of illegal tax free fuel. Castor oil/fuel mix in old British bikes, friend or foe? Your comments please.
Note to moderator - just trying to do my bit to keep the Classic Triumph section alive and kicking.
 
Ah, the good old days of Blendzall. I can smell it as I type it...
Petrol heads are strange folk. I also kinda like the smell of burnt jet fuel. Is is the actual smell or the nasally induced memories it invokes? Not sure. One oddity. I previously mentioned in a chat on this forum discussing heat resistant spray on header pipes and fuel mixture that my plugs were reasonably Tan coloured on the insulator but quite sooty around the edge which I reckon was acceptable on a carbie bike. (long sentence take a breath). After having run with a small mix of Castor oil I pulled the plugs to find the same Tan colour on the insulator but the edges were entirely clean, no sooty deposit, is this really due to the Castor oil?
Anyone out there got a degree in Plugology or worked for Champion R&D that can explain this strange pheneoemeoeneon. Triumph, simple bikes for simple people!
 
I was watching a Youtube of a chap who restores old British bikes working on 500 BSA single. Seen him before, he's good. He mentioned he chucks in half a cup of Castor oil with the Petrol. Admits not sure if it helps but says it smells nice. As I happen to have a gallon of Castor oil (I use it with Methanol and Nitro in RC engines) I gave it a go. I mixed it with a jug of petrol first of course. Really not sure if it made a difference, zero smoke and no oldy worldy smell of Castor Oil. No idea on sensible ratio. I reckon to get the smell it would need to smoke first. Lubricate valve stems or simply gum up the works? Back in the UK my brother raced a Jap Speedway bike some 50 years ago. Castor Oil with a total loss system. Once smelt never forgotten. Did wonders for the sale of Fish & Chips at the tracks. Ever smelt a diesel running on old cooking oil, smells great but the Excise Police soon catch on to the use of illegal tax free fuel. Castor oil/fuel mix in old British bikes, friend or foe? Your comments please.
Note to moderator - just trying to do my bit to keep the Classic Triumph section alive and kicking.
I used to race division II speedway here in the states & also raced some short track prior to that. Back in the 70's, I rode Ossa 250's & always used "Blendzall Gold label" mixed at 20:1 for the reasons that it does provide excellent top end lubrication in two strokes & probably to be honest, I love the smell of castor so much that if I could get it as a after shave I & most of my friends would've been wearing it every day! I also used to dump the left over fuel in my truck because I was only 18 and broke from racing motorcycles, so it only made perfect sense to use it & make my truck smell good too! There was & probably still is "Green label" too, but for some reason it doesn't smell anywhere close to as good as the gold. I still will get a bottle ( much more expensive now) of gold label and pour a splash in the fuel of my 1970 Daytona, again for the smell more than anything else, there is a ratio meant for four strokes on the bottle but who reads directions? All I know is my bike smells like heaven to me, it doesn't smoke by the way. I used to use "Oilzall" 50w racing castor in my speedway bike, a Jawa 897 up until my last race in 2001. Fuel was straight methanol but the 50w castor smells just like if I used the fuel additive in a two stroke would smell. I also got my oil free of charge because my friend whom I traveled with & kept my bike at his house though retired now, was very famous so naturally was sponsored for everything, and passed it on down to me. We both ran the 50w in our street bikes, mine being my Daytona & his was a 1970 Yamaha 650. Anytime we went to bike night we could hear all of the people mumbling under their breath; race gas, race gas, which is what they thought ( most of em') we were running because it is only natural to think that if they're unfamiliar with speedway racing, fuel is always straight methanol, the real fast guys like my friend would add a little nitro on certain nights, when your eyes burn, it's nitro, we even put a splash of that in my Daytona tank one night, a small dose! But I always used the "Oilzall" in the crank case, it does smell identical to "Castrol R" by the way, which smells exactly like "Blendzall Gold label" fuel additive, it's all castor or bean oil to be precise and smells fantastic! There is a drawback however if you use "Castrol R" 50w racing oil, if at the end of the season or if the bike is shut down for any length of time, and you don't flush out the oil tank and the rest of the system, then empty it, it will glue the engine together like you never dreamed could happen! My Daytona broke a push rod or it jumped out of the retainer ( probably because it was getting a little gummy in there without a rinse in between fall & spring) and I didn't get around to fixing it due to circumstances beyond my control, my friend lost their house in the recession of 06' & therefore I lost a place to work on my bike, I moved it out to another friend's place pretty far from mine. The bike ended up sitting for a while ( I'm too embarrassed to say how long, the important thing is I have it up & been riding it for a few years again, and even took a short rip up the street & back the other day, it's on regular Castrol 50w now days) and I brought it to a friend to rebuild while I was fighting cancer, I just did the cosmetic things and left the engine to him. He told me it wasn't easy to take it apart, he worded it differently but I won't repeat it in case any young kids happen to read this! So, I think I have given the pros & cons of using Castrol "R" in a street bike, and if you're crazy for the smell of castor like we were when I was a kid, and how at 65 in a few months, still love it, you're best off to keep it to "Blendzall Gold label" & just use it for the smell and some extra top end lubrication because if you use it as your main lower end oil for the crank, it's the best you can use for lubricant or it wouldn't be used in every speedway bike from Costa Mesa, California to Poland & the UK for Speedway GP but if you're going to let it sit for a long time, it's the best glue money can buy or you get free of charge!
 
Costa Mesa Speedway, that brings back memories. I grew up in San Juan Capistrano, a kid I went to SCHS and DHHS with raced, ended up in expert class. Blonde kid, forget his name. We all used to ride dirt bikes all over the hills that are now covered in houses.
 
I used to race division II speedway here in the states & also raced some short track prior to that. Back in the 70's, I rode Ossa 250's & always used "Blendzall Gold label" mixed at 20:1 for the reasons that it does provide excellent top end lubrication in two strokes & probably to be honest, I love the smell of castor so much that if I could get it as a after shave I & most of my friends would've been wearing it every day! I also used to dump the left over fuel in my truck because I was only 18 and broke from racing motorcycles, so it only made perfect sense to use it & make my truck smell good too! There was & probably still is "Green label" too, but for some reason it doesn't smell anywhere close to as good as the gold. I still will get a bottle ( much more expensive now) of gold label and pour a splash in the fuel of my 1970 Daytona, again for the smell more than anything else, there is a ratio meant for four strokes on the bottle but who reads directions? All I know is my bike smells like heaven to me, it doesn't smoke by the way. I used to use "Oilzall" 50w racing castor in my speedway bike, a Jawa 897 up until my last race in 2001. Fuel was straight methanol but the 50w castor smells just like if I used the fuel additive in a two stroke would smell. I also got my oil free of charge because my friend whom I traveled with & kept my bike at his house though retired now, was very famous so naturally was sponsored for everything, and passed it on down to me. We both ran the 50w in our street bikes, mine being my Daytona & his was a 1970 Yamaha 650. Anytime we went to bike night we could hear all of the people mumbling under their breath; race gas, race gas, which is what they thought ( most of em') we were running because it is only natural to think that if they're unfamiliar with speedway racing, fuel is always straight methanol, the real fast guys like my friend would add a little nitro on certain nights, when your eyes burn, it's nitro, we even put a splash of that in my Daytona tank one night, a small dose! But I always used the "Oilzall" in the crank case, it does smell identical to "Castrol R" by the way, which smells exactly like "Blendzall Gold label" fuel additive, it's all castor or bean oil to be precise and smells fantastic! There is a drawback however if you use "Castrol R" 50w racing oil, if at the end of the season or if the bike is shut down for any length of time, and you don't flush out the oil tank and the rest of the system, then empty it, it will glue the engine together like you never dreamed could happen! My Daytona broke a push rod or it jumped out of the retainer ( probably because it was getting a little gummy in there without a rinse in between fall & spring) and I didn't get around to fixing it due to circumstances beyond my control, my friend lost their house in the recession of 06' & therefore I lost a place to work on my bike, I moved it out to another friend's place pretty far from mine. The bike ended up sitting for a while ( I'm too embarrassed to say how long, the important thing is I have it up & been riding it for a few years again, and even took a short rip up the street & back the other day, it's on regular Castrol 50w now days) and I brought it to a friend to rebuild while I was fighting cancer, I just did the cosmetic things and left the engine to him. He told me it wasn't easy to take it apart, he worded it differently but I won't repeat it in case any young kids happen to read this! So, I think I have given the pros & cons of using Castrol "R" in a street bike, and if you're crazy for the smell of castor like we were when I was a kid, and how at 65 in a few months, still love it, you're best off to keep it to "Blendzall Gold label" & just use it for the smell and some extra top end lubrication because if you use it as your main lower end oil for the crank, it's the best you can use for lubricant or it wouldn't be used in every speedway bike from Costa Mesa, California to Poland & the UK for Speedway GP but if you're going to let it sit for a long time, it's the best glue money can buy or you get free of charge!
Thanks, appreciate the great response. I might avoid using Castor oil in future. I avoid Ethanol blended fuel because it loves to gum up the works so be a bit silly to do it with Castor oil. Lucky in Australia most fuel does not contain Ethanol unless you choose it. Why would you? Only 2/3 the energy of Petrol yet only 2cents per litre cheaper here. It is also not quite so climate friendly as some would have us believe. Interesting to see if the spark plugs go dirty again without Castor Oil? Any industrial chemist out there able to explain this?
I think Blendzall must be US only. Castrol R I have seen and used a long long time ago in the UK.
Great to see riders reading and contributing to the Classic Triumph section. Gets boring when its only about the new generation bikes which I don't own. Interesting to note all the classic owners on this forum all seem to be of a more senior disposition. So when we are gone will the next generation ignore the sixties bikes we grew up with in favour of the 70's two stroke sports bikes? A
I just hope someone saves my bike from oblivion.
 
Costa Mesa Speedway, that brings back memories. I grew up in San Juan Capistrano, a kid I went to SCHS and DHHS with raced, ended up in expert class. Blonde kid, forget his name. We all used to ride dirt bikes all over the hills that are now covered in houses.
Was it Bobby Swartz? The guy I was speaking of is Flyin' Mike Faria, also 3 time national #1 like Bobby.
 
Thanks, appreciate the great response. I might avoid using Castor oil in future. I avoid Ethanol blended fuel because it loves to gum up the works so be a bit silly to do it with Castor oil. Lucky in Australia most fuel does not contain Ethanol unless you choose it. Why would you? Only 2/3 the energy of Petrol yet only 2cents per litre cheaper here. It is also not quite so climate friendly as some would have us believe. Interesting to see if the spark plugs go dirty again without Castor Oil? Any industrial chemist out there able to explain this?
I think Blendzall must be US only. Castrol R I have seen and used a long long time ago in the UK.
Great to see riders reading and contributing to the Classic Triumph section. Gets boring when its only about the new generation bikes which I don't own. Interesting to note all the classic owners on this forum all seem to be of a more senior disposition. So when we are gone will the next generation ignore the sixties bikes we grew up with in favour of the 70's two stroke sports bikes? A
I just hope someone saves my bike from oblivion.
I think you're spot on! Like a friend told me one day when we were talking about those small cars the kids are racing all around the streets, he said that these little Honda cars & such are what 55' Chevy's we're to us! On the flip side of the coin, I've had quite a few young kid absolutely flip at the sight of my Daytona without even knowing anything about it & have actually had some older people tell me how I just made their day! So I think our precious bikes that shift on the right side are going to out live us one way or another, let's hope anyway. Cheers mate
 
Now that I think about it I think the plug in my Jawa looked like that & possible the Triumph we're the same but to be honest I never checked em'! Kind of like the adage ; if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
 
I lived in a small town Winona Mn ,a river town. Years ago there were hydroplane races at the levee.All the racers used castrol in their 2 cycle outboards the smell radiated over the levee Oh what memories now i,m 78 yoa , now no more races, young people had no interest and it made too much noise... Times are -a- changing Gene in Mn
 
I lived in a small town Winona Mn ,a river town. Years ago there were hydroplane races at the levee.All the racers used castrol in their 2 cycle outboards the smell radiated over the levee Oh what memories now i,m 78 yoa , now no more races, young people had no interest and it made too much noise... Times are -a- changing Gene in Mn
Nintendo has a virtual reality Hydroplane boat race....man what a strange world.
 
My Grandfather grew up in the area between Red Wing and Zumbrota, until he went off to the Marines at the end of WW1.
A beautiful area tucked between the bluffs on the Mississippi except in the Winter months which we are still in, high of 38 degrees today !! Gene in Mn
 

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