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Ive barely turned wrenches on mine at all, and I've changed my vision a couple times... it kind of happens as we assess a new project. Im kind of jealous over where you are on yours.
My neighbor has more confidence in me than I do ... he said
"What will this take ... a year??"
Lol ... at least that

Good luck.. looks like a fun project
 
This is one of the few times I’ve tried to not to be in a hurry to get it going. I’m retired but the wife is really sick and in a wheelchair now. So I’m just messing with it when I can. I use to mechanic on stuff all the time when I was younger so it feels good to just kind of piddle with this.
josheezpapa…. 12k rpm? What kind of motor you running? I remember when 8000 was screaming… lol, my how things have changed…
 
Our car is known as a micro sprint. Essentially a 3/4 sprint car.. engine is an alcohol injected GSX R600 Suzuki... we set the rev limiter at 16,000rm, and try to gear to just kiss the rev limiter .. I say "we" as this is my project with my 21 year old grandson...

I'm on disability, not sure if I will work again.. I drove myself to the ER and died jan 18, 2 weeks in a coma, 2 more on a vent, 5 surgeries, and congestive heart failure and kidneys shutting down, they saved me... now I'm doing physical therapy and walking again sometimes without a cane, walker, or wheelchair...
My Triumph is a form of therapy for me. Its
Been a long road. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife. Its a tough road.

Pic of our race car attached
 

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Wow, “by the grace of God!” Most definitely you are in our prayers. I understand the therapy part and we all need it.
Also I enjoy your posts…helps me think..
 
...I drove myself to the ER and died jan 18, 2 weeks in a coma, 2 more on a vent, 5 surgeries, and congestive heart failure and kidneys shutting down, they saved me... now I'm doing physical therapy and walking again sometimes without a cane, walker, or wheelchair... My Triumph is a form of therapy for me.
I'm not sure where I got the idea that you were a young man...

Hoofa! That's sumthin!
 
I'm not sure where I got the idea that you were a young man...

Hoofa! That's sumthin!
Lol... thanks.. im 62... have 3 kids [stepkids), 10 grandkids from 2 to 21 ... been around motorcycles since my dad had his Indian chief when I was real small, then a Honda dream...my first bike at 14 was a 1965 yamaha 60cc ... in high school when my friends were all riding new kawi triples, I had a beat to hell 66 Bonnie chopper... my dad had died when I was 9, the guy I looked up to turned me on to it, he rode a 67 lightning. Green w white flames ..... later I bought an unknown bsa single, later was told it was a gold star, which I traded for my 73 Trident, I rode it as my daily and modded it ... 840?? Cc Routt parts, mikunis, alphabet 3 into 1 header. Light pushrods ets... I broke a stock pushrod(leading to the change) and it never came back.... was a cool old Trump that would run right with my buddys 1013cc kz900 most days... loved it but sold it... later I found that when I took the cyl off I didn't seat it on the dowels right or something, but I bought a 51 harley pinhead w shovel tops, chopper... I went to work at the Harley stealer. Err... dealer... ive worked for them twice.. mixing hobby w business killed the hobby for me... when its good riding weather. You really need to work to keep people riding ... gotta help those harley guys sop up a that oil...
I'm a parts and service dept guy by trade.. lost my truck parts job when I got sick. I had built the internet dept to an astounding level and it couldn't go unmanned especially not knowing if I could return... it did 225,000 a year when they dropped it in my lap, 5 yrs later I did 1.8 mil....
I'm proud of where I've been and what I've done, and I have an amazing wife whose work closed up at about the same time, so we spend a lot of time together even after 34 years, so my newly acquired Bonnie is my project to keep me busy, probably mostly after she goes back to work.

More than u wanted to know. Im sure, but there it is. Lol
 
All three warning lights in a 1972 T100R headlight shell are exactly the same as your recently acquired T140. As standard, none of them ground through their mountings. The o.p.'s first post describes an incorrect connection; if the turn signals warning lamp is "ground(ing) through its mount", it is faulty.


Standard electrics on British bikes are very simple and work according to long established principles. Anyone who understands the principles and works effectively will produce reliable electrics.
Hi Rudie, Still trying to move forward with my bike restoration. My question for you is what is the best wiring schematic to use for laying out my wiring harness. I have the original harness, I believe, and it is not in the best of condition, but I think I can work with it. Bike is also 1973 T100R ser. # XG41943. Thanks for your assistance, Bill
 
Hi Rudie, Still trying to move forward with my bike restoration. My question for you is what is the best wiring schematic to use for laying out my wiring harness. I have the original harness, I believe, and it is not in the best of condition, but I think I can work with it. Bike is also 1973 T100R ser. # XG41943. Thanks for your assistance, Bill
Generally, Rudie only checks in on the classic bike section, so he probably won't see this.
I would suggest you post it over there where he is more likely to see it.
 
Generally, Rudie only checks in on the classic bike section, so he probably won't see this.
I would suggest you post it over there where he is more likely to see it.
Thanks Rocky for the tip. Any chance you know what is the best drawing to get me through this process? I have Triumph workshop manual 99-0843/0948 and it has half a dozen schematics in H section. Bill
 
Thanks Rocky for the tip. Any chance you know what is the best drawing to get me through this process? I have Triumph workshop manual 99-0843/0948 and it has half a dozen schematics in H section. Bill
Rudie is the resident expert here and is a wealth of knowledge so he's the best one to ask.
My knowledge is very slim on things like that BGRIN
 
Our car is known as a micro sprint. Essentially a 3/4 sprint car.. engine is an alcohol injected GSX R600 Suzuki... we set the rev limiter at 16,000rm, and try to gear to just kiss the rev limiter .. I say "we" as this is my project with my 21 year old grandson...

I'm on disability, not sure if I will work again.. I drove myself to the ER and died jan 18, 2 weeks in a coma, 2 more on a vent, 5 surgeries, and congestive heart failure and kidneys shutting down, they saved me... now I'm doing physical therapy and walking again sometimes without a cane, walker, or wheelchair...
My Triumph is a form of therapy for me. Its
Been a long road. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your wife. Its a tough road.

Pic of our race car attached
Death is interesting, I was gone for just 4 minutes July 2022. Most pleasant experience I've ever had. What comes next is beautiful!
 
1973 T100R ser. # XG41943
"XG" is a 72 ("G") model year bike, certainly the engine was built during December ("X") 1971.

best wiring schematic to use
have Triumph workshop manual 99-0843/0948 and it has half a dozen schematics in H section.
The Triumph 350/500 Workshop Manual Section H itself only goes up to 69 - "H65573 onwards". Your manual should have a following "Section HH", the "best" schematic is page HH7, titled "Fig. 8.10. Wiring diagram (UK) 12 volt coil ignition KE00001 onwards". However, "best" is relative, both the "UK" and corresponding "USA" schematics are riddled with misprints :mad::-

. Schematics "KE00001 onwards", the "UK" and "USA" labels are irrelevant, the important difference to you is the page HH7 "UK" schematic has the handlebar switches labelled correctly for 72 onwards (the handlebar switches labels on the "USA" schematic are correct only for 71, they were never different between any "USA" and "UK" bikes in any Triumph, BSA or Norton range in any year 71 to 74),

. Neither schematic shows the colours of the wire between the ignition switch and lighting switch terminal #4 - it should be "NW" - Brown/White.

. Both "UK" and "USA" schematics show the ignition switch wires connected the same - correct for the USA; however, in reality, the wires were connected slightly differently on "UK" bikes - the Brown/White wire to lighting switch terminal #4 was originally connected to the same terminal as the Brown/Blue (NU) wire from battery -ve.

. Lighting switch Brown/White connected to Brown/Blue on the back of the ignition switch is relevant in the UK because we have a legal requirement that anything left on a public road at night must be lit back and front, those wires so connected allow lights to be on without the ignition switch being on. However, if you do not have the legal requirement in Canada, or it is not tested in any state safety inspection, follow the ignition switch connections in the schematic?

Rudie is the resident expert here
:eek: Thank you but I do not consider myself any sort of expert; on electrics, just someone who is less scared of them than many.
 
"XG" is a 72 ("G") model year bike, certainly the engine was built during December ("X") 1971.



The Triumph 350/500 Workshop Manual Section H itself only goes up to 69 - "H65573 onwards". Your manual should have a following "Section HH", the "best" schematic is page HH7, titled "Fig. 8.10. Wiring diagram (UK) 12 volt coil ignition KE00001 onwards". However, "best" is relative, both the "UK" and corresponding "USA" schematics are riddled with misprints :mad::-

. Schematics "KE00001 onwards", the "UK" and "USA" labels are irrelevant, the important difference to you is the page HH7 "UK" schematic has the handlebar switches labelled correctly for 72 onwards (the handlebar switches labels on the "USA" schematic are correct only for 71, they were never different between any "USA" and "UK" bikes in any Triumph, BSA or Norton range in any year 71 to 74),

. Neither schematic shows the colours of the wire between the ignition switch and lighting switch terminal #4 - it should be "NW" - Brown/White.

. Both "UK" and "USA" schematics show the ignition switch wires connected the same - correct for the USA; however, in reality, the wires were connected slightly differently on "UK" bikes - the Brown/White wire to lighting switch terminal #4 was originally connected to the same terminal as the Brown/Blue (NU) wire from battery -ve.

. Lighting switch Brown/White connected to Brown/Blue on the back of the ignition switch is relevant in the UK because we have a legal requirement that anything left on a public road at night must be lit back and front, those wires so connected allow lights to be on without the ignition switch being on. However, if you do not have the legal requirement in Canada, or it is not tested in any state safety inspection, follow the ignition switch connections in the schematic?


:eek: Thank you but I do not consider myself any sort of expert; on electrics, just someone who is less scared of them than many.
Thanks for the reply. I have a Haynes manual borrowed from my Bro-in-law that has schematic (UK) 12 volt KE00001 onwards, which I think is the same. This is all a first for me so, here comes my dumb questions. What is meant by the Pilot circuit? Diagram has lighting switch. Is the the toggle in headlamp the lighting switch? Should I take this out to test switches/connections? Are the spade tips numbered to match the diagram? I think there were only 5 spade tips on mine. ( I guess it would have been 8 if spade tips were installed at all available points. Thanks, Bill
 
Diagram has lighting switch. Is the the toggle in headlamp the lighting switch?
Should be.

Should I take this out to test switches/connections?
laying out my wiring harness.
If you mean you are going to spread out the harness off the bike and test it, you will need to remove the switch from the headlight, connect it to the wires in the harness.

Otoh, if you intend to fit the harness to the bike, there is no need to remove the switch unless something it should work does not.

If you do remove the switch from the headlight shell, look for a 5-figure number either stamped in the metal surrounding the lever or moulded into the plastic switch casing; for the switch to work correctly, the number must be either 31788 or 35710.

Are the spade tips numbered to match the diagram?
If the switch is Lucas, yes; those switches, there are always a total of eight terminals or holes where a terminal could be rivetted; each terminal or hole will be numbered 1-8; important on your bike are terminals #4, #6, #7, #8.

Pilot circuit?
Pilot bulb is a small bulb in a holder pressed into a hole in the bottom of the original headlight reflector; if you have the '73 T100 parts book, look at page 66, find parts #9 and #10; if you have the '72 book, look at page 76, same parts.

Decades ago, in the UK, the pilot bulb was the front light when the bike was being ridden under streetlamps, was also the front "parking light" if required. As it has become the norm for all vehicles to use headlights at night irrespective of other lighting, the low power of the standard pilot bulb made it useless as a marker light. However, since LED became easily available, either a LED bulb can be fitted in the holder or a certain type of LED can replace the pilot bulb and holder in the headlight reflector. These LED draw little power compared to a standard headlight bulb but emit a very bright light, useful where it is either desirable or a legal requirement to ride with the headlight on even in daylight but low rpm means an alternator never specified originally to power the headlight under every condition struggles to keep the battery charged.
 
Should be.



If you mean you are going to spread out the harness off the bike and test it, you will need to remove the switch from the headlight, connect it to the wires in the harness.

Otoh, if you intend to fit the harness to the bike, there is no need to remove the switch unless something it should work does not.

If you do remove the switch from the headlight shell, look for a 5-figure number either stamped in the metal surrounding the lever or moulded into the plastic switch casing; for the switch to work correctly, the number must be either 31788 or 35710.


If the switch is Lucas, yes; those switches, there are always a total of eight terminals or holes where a terminal could be rivetted; each terminal or hole will be numbered 1-8; important on your bike are terminals #4, #6, #7, #8.


Pilot bulb is a small bulb in a holder pressed into a hole in the bottom of the original headlight reflector; if you have the '73 T100 parts book, look at page 66, find parts #9 and #10; if you have the '72 book, look at page 76, same parts.

Decades ago, in the UK, the pilot bulb was the front light when the bike was being ridden under streetlamps, was also the front "parking light" if required. As it has become the norm for all vehicles to use headlights at night irrespective of other lighting, the low power of the standard pilot bulb made it useless as a marker light. However, since LED became easily available, either a LED bulb can be fitted in the holder or a certain type of LED can replace the pilot bulb and holder in the headlight reflector. These LED draw little power compared to a standard headlight bulb but emit a very bright light, useful where it is either desirable or a legal requirement to ride with the headlight on even in daylight but low rpm means an alternator never specified originally to power the headlight under every condition struggles to keep the battery charged.
Because my bike was made in December of '72, is it classified as a 1973 model? I have the 73 parts book and do see what is called the pilot bulb. Bike came with just headlight shell, rim, toggle switch and 3 coloured warning lights. There is a whole in the bottom of the shell that I believe is for the wiring and a grommet, but i don't know where this pilot light attaches. My Bro-in-law gave me an old light unit, so tomorrow I will attempt to test my toggle switch and see how this light unit might fit. Thanks for your generous support. So appreciated. Bill
 
Because my bike was made in December of '72, is it classified as a 1973 model?
It was made December 1971 and is a 72 model.

The Triumph explanation of "year" is just rubbish English. It is never clear that "year" always refers to the Model Year, never the calendar year - the two "years" are the same for several months, but also they are not the same for several months ...

Also not made clear is otoh, the date code month letter is the calendar month ... :rolleyes:

Triumph's parent company from the 1950's to 1973 was BSA, the Group's financial year ended on 30th June; anytime after that up to usually September, the works changed to making the following Model Year's bikes. Modern automotive industry still starts building for a given Model Year during the previous calendar year for similar reasons the British automotive industry did - among those, most production is/was exported, transported by sea; from the early 1960's, the US was by far British motorcycle makers' biggest market, it was necessary to build up a large stock of bikes in the US over the winter for what could be a short "selling season" particularly in some states.

The first 72 Model Year ("G") bike - T120R HG30870 - was produced during calendar July ("H") 1971. In that model year, bikes coded HG, JG, KG, NG, PG, XG were produced respectively in calendar July, August, September, October, November, December 1971, then those coded AG, BG, CG, DG, EG, GG, HG were produced respectively in calendar January, February, March, April, May, June, July 1972. Btw, model years longer than twelve months - e.g. HG bikes built in both July 1971 and July 1972 - are not unusual; the serial number was contiguous throughout a model year so the numbers on the bikes produced towards the beginning of a model year are significantly lower than the numbers on those produced towards the end of a model year.

Otoh, e.g. in the 71 model year, the first bike - T100R KE00001 - was not produced until calendar September 1970.

see what is called the pilot bulb. Bike came with just headlight shell, rim, toggle switch and 3 coloured warning lights
don't know where this pilot light attaches.
Not your bike's original headlight. Modern copy of the original headlight:-
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... bottom right hand corner of the image shows the hole for the pilot light.

As I posted earlier, LED pilot is useful these days. However, if you do not want to change the headlamp, do not worry about the "pilot circuit" (a Red/Black (RB) wire from the bulb to lighting switch terminal #6).

hole in the bottom of the shell that I believe is for the wiring and a grommet
Original headlight shell on your bike had the three warning light holes and toggle switch hole in the top but had three large grommeted holes in the bottom towards the rear for wiring; only one large wiring hole, the shell was fitted originally to a 71-74 Norton Commando.

Standard harness, you will likely find the single wiring hole/grommet is big enough for the wires that enter/exit the headlamp shell; however, that is because the standard harness has a really rubbish large handful of bullet terminals and snap connector sleeves under the tank, (n) where the wires from the handlebar switches also connect. 'Back in the day', these connections were not reliable long term, because what Lucas had not allowed for was bikes ridden a lot in rain and road spray, spray works its way between the tank and the frame, into the forward ends of snap connectors, corrodes bullets to snap connectors' internal steel sleeves. :rolleyes:

When you are laying out the harness, I advise pulling apart all bullet terminals and snap connectors, replacing the connectors with new - even if bullets and snap connectors are not corroded together, the connector steel sleeves have been under tension for years, they split lengthways inside the insulation then do not grip the bullets as well as they should; although held together by the insulation, the bullet-sleeve contact can be intermittent. (n) New snap connectors available here and I also advise this tool for pushing bullets into snap connectors fully, so the latter's insulation covers the bullets as well (as it was intended to do :cool:).

If you need new bullet terminals, British Wiring also sell them; however, due to changes between the Imperial sizes of original Lucas wire and modern metric wire, new bullet terminals are a can of worms, I can explain if you need them. but better will be not to need new bullets. ;)

Also try not to be tempted by the red, blue and yellow insulated hardware store terminals. They are not compatible with original Lucas terminals and connectors, have their own problems. (n)

If (when?) you get fed up trying to make the original harness work and decide to build a better one, the correct headlight shell with three wiring holes is more useful because you can shelter the connections between handlebar switches and main harness inside the shell, much more reliable long term. (y)
 
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