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saig55

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I’ve been working on the electrical and have everything working, I think.
Put in a new battery and as soon as I hook it up the amber warning light comes on and stays on.
I just got all the turn signals working. I’m not sure where to look for a problem…
Yes, I need some help please.
This is my 1972 Triumph T100R barn find….
 
I'm not sure on that light in particular... but every socket needs power and ground to function... if it has just one wire leading to it, that should be the negative (power) lead. And the socket will ground through its mount. If thats the case, remove and clean the socket and the headlamp where the bulb socket fits in.
In either case, disconnect and clean/ remove oxidation from any and all connectors associated with that circuit... CRC electronic cleaner or Deoxit (i like deoxit) and a teeny tiny brush... do you have one for paint gun nozzles or welding tips?? Would be a good start i think
Remember, the electrics are by Lucas, prince of darkness. Lol
 
Does the warning light get powered by the flasher?
Depends what you mean by "flasher"? The warning light is not powered separately from the relay, is connected between the front turn signals wires (Green/White = right/timing side turn signals, Green/Red = left/drive side turn signals) inside the headlamp shell.

Put in a new battery and as soon as I hook it up the amber warning light comes on and stays on.
You have connected something incorrectly. Even with the battery connected, nothing of the turn signals wiring should be 'hot' until the ignition switch is on and the handlebar switch lever is (as standard) either up or down.

Standard turn signals relay has just two spade terminals; one terminal should have a White wire from the ignition switch, the other should have the Light Green/Brown wire to the handlebar switch.

Standard T100 wiring harness has a large number of bullet snap connectors under the tank. The Light Green/Brown wire to the handlebar turn signals switch and the Green/White and Green/Red wires from the switch were connected here - stupid idea. (n) Ime, thread the wires from the handlebar switch cluster and the front turn signals into the headlight shell, make the wiring connections inside the shell.

Inside the shell, use two snap connectors that take four bullet terminals each, one snap connector for each 'side'; the four wires into each snap connector are: from the handlebar switch, to the rear turn signal, to the front turn signal, to the warning light. If the warning light a standard bulb, not LED, the warning light will flash at the same time as the switched turn signals, when the ignition switch is on and the handlebar switch lever is either up or down.
 
if it has just one wire leading to it, that should be the negative (power) lead. And the socket will ground through its mount.
All three warning lights in a 1972 T100R headlight shell are exactly the same as your recently acquired T140. As standard, none of them ground through their mountings. The o.p.'s first post describes an incorrect connection; if the turn signals warning lamp is "ground(ing) through its mount", it is faulty.

Remember, the electrics are by Lucas, prince of darkness.
Standard electrics on British bikes are very simple and work according to long established principles. Anyone who understands the principles and works effectively will produce reliable electrics.
 
All three warning lights in a 1972 T100R headlight shell are exactly the same as your recently acquired T140. As standard, none of them ground through their mountings. The o.p.'s first post describes an incorrect connection; if the turn signals warning lamp is "ground(ing) through its mount", it is faulty.


Standard electrics on British bikes are very simple and work according to long established principles. Anyone who understands the principles and works effectively will produce reliable electrics.
Thank you. Its been quite a few years since my last Triumph, a 73 t150v
I didn't remember the specifics, but do remember not having electrics issues with it at all. ... I rode it as daily transportation, and vaguely remember taking a local brit bike guy's advice and installed a capacitor, maybe as a battery eliminator??? Otherwise, to my knowledge the electrics were "as produced".
I only know enough about electrics to be dangerous to myself and society lol...
But I always check grounds, connections, (and fuses if it's an open circuit) first... its served me fairly well through the years.

Your knowledge of these bikes always astounds and enlightens me
 
Ok guys, I’ve confused myself. I’ve worked on so much stuff electronics. And I am not an electrician!! The turn signals are now working properly.
The only problem is the amber warning light in the headlight comes on immediately upon connecting the battery. Switch off or on….
 
Here is the problem to start…. The warning lights are wired up wrong….
This is correct I think….
red = ignition+oil pressure
green=main beam
amber=indicators
And my indicator light is green….

so let me work on this…:

thanks, sometimes you gotta talk it out…
 
warning lights
red = ignition+oil pressure
green=main beam
amber=indicators
Correct, except Red is just oil pressure warning, no "ignition" after 68.

Original bulbs/holders/shades could/can be separated - they sometimes do not look like it but, if you pull just on the 'ridge' apparently around the bottom of the tubular shade, the bulb/holder pulls out of the shade.

Original bulb holders have different-colour wires:-

. Oil pressure warning has a plain White wire and a White/Brown wire, this should be in the Red shade. The bulb should illuminate when you first turn on the ignition switch because by definition there isn't any oil pressure because the engine isn't running, so the switch that operates the bulb is closed.

. Indicators has the previously mentioned Green/Red and Green/White wires, this should be in the Amber shade.

. Main beam has a Blue/White wire and a Red wire, this should be in the Green shade.

Consider you have connected the oil pressure warning bulb White/Brown wire to the Brown/White wire between the ignition switch and the lighting switch (lever operated switch in the top of the headlight shell). "White/Brown" is insulation mainly White with thin Brown tracer line(s); "Brown/White" is insulation mainly Brown with thin White tracer line(s). They are different and should not be connected together.

The Brown/White lighting switch wire can easily be connected to the same ignition switch terminal as the Brown/Blue wire from battery negative; if so, lighting can be switched on independently of the ignition switch (e.g. a UK legal requirement).

If:-

. you connected the oil pressure warning bulb White/Brown wire to the lighting switch Brown/White wire:

. the lighting switch Brown/White wire is connected to the same ignition switch terminal as the Brown/Blue wire;

. a dpo pushed the oil pressure warning bulb into the Amber shade;

. is why that light is illuminating when you connect the battery.
 
Thanks guys for the help..
Rudie, thanks for keeping it simple. All the lights now work except for the oil pressure light.
I think my switch may have some terminals backwards…
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Far right is two white wires
Middle is two blue/brown wires
Far left is white and brown wires….
Is this correct?
 
I think my switch may have some terminals backwards
Original or pattern 2 position (on/off) ignition switch will appear to have either three or four male spade terminals. However, as at least two terminals are made of a single "U" shape, any female spade terminals connected to these are effectively just connected together by the "U", the switch will not disconnect them in its 'off' position.

Brown/Blue being from the battery negative terminal and in the middle of the three different wires, I suspect it and the Brown/White are both connected to the same "U"?

Is this correct?
Yes, if you want to be able to turn the lights on when the ignition is off.

However, if you want the ignition switch to turn everything off, swap the Brown/Blue wire to a terminal that is not connected to the same "U" as either of the other two wires. You will need to check but your photo says swap the positions of the Brown/Blue and White wires?

Btw, while your bike's harness is old, it is not original afaik; originally, those wires had what are known as "flag terminals" - the spades at right-angles to the wires; the connections and the back of the switch were covered by a rubber moulding (97-2262); the terminals in your photo would not fit in the moulding.

All the lights now work except for the oil pressure light.
The bulb/holder White wire is connected to the other White wires (White wires are (should be) 'hot' only when the ignition switch is in its 'on' position)? The bulb/holder White/Brown wire is connected only to the pressure switch in the front edge of the timing cover?

If yes to both the above questions and the bulb holder can be separated from the shade, swap in a working bulb from one of the other holders?

If a working bulb does not work in the oil pressure warning bulb holder, do you have a meter to check continuity through the wiring to the switch?

If all tests point to the switch being faulty, buying a new switch is not as straightforward as it should be ... :mad:

If you have the correct parts book for your bike, using the switch part number (60-2133) is unlikely to get you the correct switch - not because Triumph messed up but because of the current parts supply chain.

BSA (Triumph's parent until 1973) used two oil pressure switch threads - National Pipe Tapered only in early 1969, National Pipe Straight after that. So, unless your bike has had its timing cover changed for an early 69 one, it should have a NPS switch thread.

However, if you order by the 60-2133 in the 72 500 book, you will be supplied a NPT-thread switch ... order 60-3719 to be supplied a NPS-thread switch.

Whichever switch you order/receive, trial-fit in the cover using only fingers, because the timing cover is very thin and flimsy beside the switch, very easy to crack which will then leak profusely ... Using only fingers, correct NPS thread switch should screw into the cover right up to the sealing washer; if it does not, work out why rather than using a wrench to force it.

Nevertheless, irrespective of how much care you use fitting a new switch, be aware they are generally poor quality, it is almost surprising if they last. :(
 
Update….
All lights work….bad grounds and bad connections…..
Changed the wires on the ignition switch so everything is off when key is off.
One weird thing is the switch is on the right side but all the books show it on the left…
Won’t know if the oil pressure switch is good until engine is put back together.
I’m waiting on the cylinder head to be re-worked…
Thanks for all the help and thanks Rudie for the electrical system for dummies…. Lol
 
bad grounds
72 T100, almost all electrical components should have a Red 'ground' wire connected, even if the wire is connected to a component's mounting (e.g. rectifier, Zener diode), you should not need to scrape off paint to make a 'good ground'. About the only exceptions are the turn signals but it is easy to make "ground" wires for them.

ignition switch
One weird thing is the switch is on the right side
I wondered that from your photo but thought it was just it had been take from an odd angle. Can you post a photo of each headlight bracket, it might be possible to identify what a p.o. has done/used?

Won’t know if the oil pressure switch is good until engine is put back together.
Attach a wire temporarily between the pressure switch body and a Red wire on the bike. The pressure switch normally 'grounds' through its mounting on the engine, Red wires are normally connected to battery positive, the temporary wire will 'ground' the pressure switch, warning light should illuminate when you turn on the ignition switch.

thanks Rudie for the electrical system for dummies…. Lol
You are welcome. :)
 
Here's my 2 cents, and likely worth about that... and I don't know, but if it was me....

#1 .. I'd like it there and I'd leave it alone, but it looks to me like its been moved there from the left. I see evidence that the small spacer between the headlamp mounting ear and the switch may have been on the left for a good amount of time... I would look and see what it takes to move that spacer fixture... Rudie had indicated that the harness has been changed along the way, MAYBE it was more convenient to a previous owner on the right, and since they were wiring anyway....
Caveat : ive never looked at these parts to know, but in the picture sure looks like what I'm saying is very possible... I need to get a parts book soon. Lol... im planning on taking my wife to lunch next rainy day near Baxter's so I can pick one up then. Lol
 
A pic of both sides…
Reason the ignition switch is on the right is both headlamp brackets have been fitted on the wrong sides and therefore upside down ... the ignition switch is mounted in the correct bracket, just the bracket is attached to the wrong fork leg ... :rolleyes:

When the bracket on the left of your bike is fitted correctly (on the right) the 'unused' hole in the bracket has a grommet and the throttle cable(s) pass(es) through it.

Even if you decide to keep the brackets as-is, I advise new rubber mouldings, including the washers under the steel washers under the bolts securing the brackets to the fork shrouds.

Rudie had indicated that the harness has been changed along the way, MAYBE it was more convenient to a previous owner on the right, and since they were wiring anyway....
The ignition switch wiring will (should) reach the ignition switch on either side.

need to get a parts book
planning on taking my wife to lunch next rainy day near Baxter's so I can pick one up
They are free to read online. Or wouldn't it be cheaper to pay Baxter to mail one?
 
Reason the ignition switch is on the right is both headlamp brackets have been fitted on the wrong sides and therefore upside down ... the ignition switch is mounted in the correct bracket, just the bracket is attached to the wrong fork leg ... :rolleyes:

When the bracket on the left of your bike is fitted correctly (on the right) the 'unused' hole in the bracket has a grommet and the throttle cable(s) pass(es) through it.

Even if you decide to keep the brackets as-is, I advise new rubber mouldings, including the washers under the steel washers under the bolts securing the brackets to the fork shrouds.


The ignition switch wiring will (should) reach the ignition switch on either side.


They are free to read online. Or wouldn't it be cheaper to pay Baxter to mail one?

I view them online sometimes... I'd like to have a printed copy and I'd like to visit the shop.
My wife and I are both off work for now, she spends sunny days tanning, and rainy days we do lunch dates around the state together, Randy's shop is a bit over an hour away... embarking on my new project, im rounding up parts and literature to prepare... ive got a few things to do on my race car... the biggie is an oil system issue... above 13 or 14k rpm, it has a nasty problem of losing all the oil around the oil filter seal... disturbing for sure, so I'm going to wire up a low oil pressure shut off...
But thats another problem.. I got real ill this year and wound up with a disability and no job, so I'm trying to re learn how to live, racing is on the back burner right now...
 
Some of the things I am finding on this bike is a mystery… I originally thought it was stored and someone used it as a parts bike. Top of the motor missing, kickstart spring missing, clutch rod missing and other little things. But why would the wiring be backwards on some things unhooked on others, lights in the wrong spot. And now headlight mounting brackets on upside down….
I get my cyl head back Friday so I am concentrating on assembling the engine over the weekend and see what I have. If it runs well I’ll go on to other things on the bike. If it runs and I don’t like the way it runs I may just pull the engine and rebuild it. The top end will be new and I can concentrate on the bottom end itself. Well just have to see…..
 
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