Pearl Harbor Day

[CarlS]

On December 7, 1941, 71 years ago, Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor and the Army airfields on Oahu, Hawaii bringing the US directly into WWII. This event gave rise to "Greatest Generation" who are leaving us rapidly. Please pause and remember those who lost their lives that day and the many who lost their lives in days to come, both allies and axis.

 

[The Seeker]

Hmmmm....I did think this was on of TT's "special days", but I guess not afterall.

Funny, that I was about to post something when I came here to see you beat me to it.

It's also my Daughter's Birthday.

 

[CarlS]

I wish your daughter a happy birthday!

I, too, thought it was one of TT's special days.

 

[The Seeker]

I was in the delivery room when my Daughter was born and the one nurse looked at the clock to record the time and said......"D-day!".

 

[Rocky]

Yes, this was indeed a grave day.
As Yamamoto said, "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant."
He was right and they paid for it - but not without a horrible loss of American lives.

 

[CarlS]

And a horrible loss of Japanese and German lives.

 

[Rocky]

And a horrible loss of Japanese and German lives.

War is indeed, hell; hell for all concerned, including civilians!!

 

[CarlS]

Yes, indeed. And no one hates it more than those who must fight it.

 

[DaveB]

"A day that will live in infamy": FDR

I've been thinking about it all day.

 

[Rocky]

This thread prompted me to think about the movies I have about Pearl Harbor.
I have the movie, Tora, Tora, Tora, on DVD and may watch it later - even though I've seen it many times.
It does a reasonably good job of the history of the events leading up to and during the attack.

 

[The Seeker]

Rocky.....just turn on the History Channel....it's all about Pearl Harbor today and tonight


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[CarlS]

I have been watching.

 

[otherwise]

On December 7, 1941, 71 years ago, Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor and the Army airfields on Oahu, Hawaii bringing the US directly into WWII. This event gave rise to "Greatest Generation" who are leaving us rapidly. Please pause and remember those who lost their lives that day and the many who lost their lives in days to come, both allies and axis.

Carl I very much like the above quoted post.
Most thinking people understand that it's the politicians and generals that start wars, and it's the ordinary people (on both sides) who die in them.

 

[The Seeker]

Hitler's biggest blunder? Declaring war on the USA when he had no reason or need to.

FDR's hands were tied before that. US citizens would easily gone along with war with Japan after Pearl Harbor, but they weren't keen on getting involved in Europe's war.

Of course, FRD wanted it, but the people were more than divided.

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[otherwise]

Hitler's biggest blunder? Declaring war on the USA when he had no reason or need to.

FDR's hands were tied before that. US citizens would easily gone along with war with Japan after Pearl Harbor, but they weren't keen on getting involved in Europe's war.

Of course, FRD wanted it, but the people were more than divided.

Some say his bigger blunder was attacking the Soviets.
Regardless, he took on two mighty powers, one at a time would have been hard going.

 

[The Seeker]

Invading the USSR was a bad decision in and of itself.

But then declaring war on the USA needlessly sealed his fate by making two diametrically opposed nations into allies
(USA & USSR).


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[otherwise]

Some shocking numbers listed in this link, particularly % per population killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Regardless we are remembering those killed at Pearl Harbor, RIP.

 

[CarlS]

Carl I very much like the above quoted post.
Most thinking people understand that it's the politicians and generals that start wars, and it's the ordinary people (on both sides) who die in them.

Thanks and you are spot on.

Some say his bigger blunder was attacking the Soviets.
Regardless, he took on two mighty powers, one at a time would have been hard going.

The US was already in a defacto war with Germany: aid for Britain, training bases for allies, encouraging volunteers for the RAF, etc. However, up until Hitler declared war on the US, American companies were still supplying Hitler. Texaco was supplying Germany with oil up until FDR stopped it via the war powers act. There was a lot of sympathy for Hitler in the US and a lot of apathy about the European war. Hitler's declaration of war changed the defacto status and ended the apathy.

It is obvious that Hitler made a mistake opening the war on two fronts; but he was wanting resources that the USSR controlled, mainly oil.