ICE Info and Tips

[hemibee]

I got to thinking about what information I carry with me when riding and checked on my regional forum where I know several Paramedics, EMT's, LEO's and 1st Responders are members to see what information I could gather from them on needed information. This all came about due to the thread I started on the Rider Down with no information available. See that thread here. . . https://www.triumphtalk.com/showthread.php/22506-Rider-Down-No-Contact-Info

Well it looks like some of the other riders over on the other forum had the same idea and started a thread so I thought I would grab the info already available instead of asking the Paramedics especially since some of them have already responded to the other threads. Here is a little information for you to think about. I'm not saying you should carry this info, that is up to you not me to decide. Below is the info posted, I will mark the ones posted by the professionals so you know which posts are theirs.

due to a recent thread I thought I would start a thread for people to learn and post their tips and ideas for carrying and displaying ICE info.
ICE= In Case of Emergency

a ICE card needs to have at least:
your full name
any allergies especially to any medications
at least one person to contact name, phone number, and possibly also address.
any pre existing medical conditions.
all medications currently being taken

I would recommend having two contacts and both if applicable cell and home phone numbers.

blood type

many people have additional insurance coverage like med jet and membership in ambulance services, or towing or medical on their bike insurance, this info would help get the ball rolling quicker on recovery of self and bike..

any other tips or links to where you got the device you use for ICE info?

In the info above, "Blood Type" is not needed. This is due to the fact if you need blood on the scene you are going to get O negative also known as the "Universal Blood Type." Once you get to the medical care facility they are not going to take your word for your blood type, instead they are going to type you. If it makes you feel better, then go ahead and put it in the info.

I've talked to some paramedics, and basically they're not going to bother checking anything in your clothing, stuck to your helmet, or anything like that. They will notice two things:

1. A medical ID bracelet
2. Anything in the way of them getting to your chest so they can hook up the monitors and/or defib pads

Because of that, I wear dog tags on trips. I got some made with my ID info and ICE info. I got the modern stamped-in kind, not the WWII/Vietnam style stamped-out kind. Actually I got the old style made first and they're practically impossible to read. Modern-style ones are super easy to read.

From a Paramedic that I've had the chance to ride with a few times.

Well I are a paramedic.

The one thing everyone looks for is a driver's license. If you want us to know about medical conditions, keep a card with the DL.

Having said that, identification is about #11 on the list of top 10 things to accomplish on the way to the hospital if you are unconscious from a motorcycle accident. The cops are much more interested in who you are and we will either find out from them when the dust settles or get it from admissions at the hospital. No one puts much credence in non-government issued ID.

Emphases added

A cop I've met a time or two

Tattoo pertinent info on your chest. On your back you could tattoo -
"Flip over for positive ID" :doh:

Normally I could find something such as an ID, DL, or Insurance card. I can't think of a time where I worked a major and I couldn't get it. If it was real bad, we called an AI and I guess they got that info. at the hospital.

I think the point that people are missing with ICE is its not really meant for medical personnel although as stated the information listed will come in handy for further treatment (at the ER or hospital) and contact information. Where ICE is most needed as in the case of the other thread and YOU not medical or some stranger finds you first. At least with ICE someone can give basic information to the EMT's and Police when they show up. Like I stated in the other post, I ride by myself 99% of the time and I am deaf. I want people to see my ICE tag on my jacket zipper and know who I am, who to call, and why I may not initially respond since I can't hear. My dog tag only tells them not do an MRI at least without taking out my implant first so it won't get ripped out of my head!

Kurt,

What is the scoop on helmets? How do the paramedics handle helmets? How should rider approach helmets for a fallen friend?

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Paramedic

Unless trained to remove a helmet, treat it as part of the head and use it to stabilize the head and spine. How we handle them depends upon the circumstances. In most cases we leave it on. If it presents an obstacle to urgently needed care, it comes off using two providers to stabilize and remove.

http://www.roadid.com/Common/default.aspx Road ID

That was easy


Next agenda item :deal:

Paramedic

Good points from Kirk, I'm also a paramedic and do sometimes check for ICE stuff. I start with looking for medical bracelets and check behind the drivers license in their wallet if I get there before the cops take it. Uses other riders in the group for information too, but most times people don't really know. Depending on how long the drive to the hospital is I've been known to uses their cell phone to look up ICE info or call 'Wife' or 'Mom'. But only if I really need to.
As far as helmets go he's right, leave them on. If anyone did have Aerostich's emergency info on the helmet strap then we would see it, but I've never see anyone use it. If your using a zipper tab type device and it's obvious then don't worry we'll grab that too.

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here are some links for different ICE devices:

http://www.theicedevice.com/

droid ICE apps
(looks like it creates a bypass of a lock code so you can get ICE info without having to unlock phone.

ICE devices

Believe it or not, he is not a Road ID salesman. . . or at least I don't think he is

Cards in wallets: Wallets can be anywhere or nowhere, with a cop/first responder, stolen, wherever? Is in in your pants? Your jacket? Did your best friend keep it for safekeeping? Did you remember to put your ICE card in it?

Road ID is simple, obvious, and goes with you.

Binary: It's on your wrist or it isn't

The other thing to mention here is too many riding groups are formed and nobody talks about what to do if one in the group goes down and isn't conscious.

Who do we call if you get hurt? That's a question most people don't ask.

Ok, sure, your driver's license is in your wallet. Great! But I don't call YOU if you're hurt. Ok, we'll sent a trooper to your address to notify your NOK you're in the hospital. Great! Oooops, nobody home, they're all someplace but at home.

Yeah I get it, more than one way might work. The real point is more people should be aware of who to call if their riding buddy goes down - and not have to fish for a wallet to find out. Hope there are no spinal issues if that's the case.

Much easier to say to a riding buddy as you point to your wrist:

"This is my Road ID. The people you need to call are here if I go down"

Simple.

Now, let me apologize for all the copy/paste quotes above. . . I will go to my room for a 5 minute time-out.

But seriously, I started this to get everyone to thinking about some of what I think is important information.

I know where 3 of (the 15 or so) folks I ride with lives. I know their wives names and in the case of one other I know where her boyfriend lives and I know his name. But what happens if one of the others is involved in an accident? I don't know their phone numbers, maybe some of their cell phone numbers but not how to contact anyone else or tell the LEO how to contact them.

I currently wear a dog tag due to my allergy and the ones that ride with me most know where I keep my epinephrine but I'm looking more toward the RoadID.

Now what are your thoughts or what do you do for medical emergencies?

 

[CarlS]

Good post, Tony.

 

[Rocky]

Good stuff hemi
I carry contact info (2), meds, etc., in my wallet next to my DL. I also tell those riding with me that I have it.
Last year I had intended to get a wrist bracelet like shown above. In fact, I started a thread about it, but it slipped my mind and I never did get around to getting one.
I think the bracelet is a great idea. Now, all I need to do is do it!!!!!

 

[harper6t]

I remember an old speedway rider used to have a tattoo on the inside of his arm of a blood drop and his blood type. I guess in speedway, it would not be uncommon to need that sort of information.

 

[CarlS]

Good stuff hemi
I carry contact info (2), meds, etc., in my wallet next to my DL. I also tell those riding with me that I have it.
Last year I had intended to get a wrist bracelet like shown above. In fact, I started a thread about it, but it slipped my mind and I never did get around to getting one.
I think the bracelet is a great idea. Now, all I need to do is do it!!!!!

I have thought about a bracelet; but I really don't like them. I doubt if I would remember to wear it when riding. I will go the dog tag route; those I am used to wearing.