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I'm reading a fictional book, based on the Columbine tragedy, called 19 Minutes by Jodie Picault. In the book, she mentions the young teenage shooter, 17, as going into Walmart and buying the ammunition for two handguns. This was also highlighted in the controversial, Bowling for Columbine.

Is this still true? Can minors still go into Walmart and buy ammunition "off the shelf"? Do you not need to produce ID or a gun license or be over a certain age in order to buy bullets? Here in SA, ammo is only sold at registered firearm dealers and you have to prodcue positive ID and a firearms license to buy the ammo. I'm talking about the legal firearm owners just in case Dave points me to the street corner where I could probably buy anything illegal that I want.
 
That's scary. Although I don't like firearms, I accept the right to defend yourself, carry arms etc etc etc. But shouldn't there be 1 law for the entire country such as an age restriction on buying a firearm and only licensed dealers to sell firearms and maybe even taking a psychometric test before being able to buy a firearm?? No selling guns over the internet.
 
Sad to say, the interenet is just one more avenue that is abused by criminals engaged in illegal activities. Anyone can buy anything over the internet, that's just the way it is.

The U.S. mail has VERY strict laws about what can be sent through the mail, these laws are broken and abused every day. UPS, DHL & FedEx likewise.
 
[quote author=Gromit link=topic=590.msg2847#msg2847 date=1215433544]
That's scary. Although I don't like firearms, I accept the right to defend yourself, carry arms etc etc etc. But shouldn't there be 1 law for the entire country such as an age restriction on buying a firearm and only licensed dealers to sell firearms and maybe even taking a psychometric test before being able to buy a firearm?? No selling guns over the internet.[/quote]
First of all, please remember that a firearm is a tool - as is a knife, an ax, an automobile, and a motorcycle. Any tool can be misused. Guns are not evil; evil people use guns for wrong purposes.

Secondly, remember that in the US, the right to own a firearm is a Constitutionally recognized right just as are free speech, freedom of the press, freedom to worship, etc.

That said, most states have laws the restrict the sale of ammunition (as well as knives) to someone 18 years old or older. That is a relatively recent thing. At ten years old, I used to buy ammunition for my .22 rifle and shotgun shells for my 12 gage shotgun.

States make their own laws for the most part. Our Constitution gives specific powers to the federal government and all else is left to the States. That prevents the "one size fits all" government bureaucratic mentality across a very large and diverse country. Even traffic laws, though they conform to the national traffic code, vary state by state.

There is an age restriction on buying and owning a firearm in most states. One has to be 18 to purchase and possess a handgun. I'm not sure whet the age is on a long gun. A minor of any age may shoot a firearm, handgun or long gun, under the direct supervision of someone 18 years of age or older in the State of Florida.

Guns may be sold over the internet - BUT they must be transferred through a licensed firearm dealer. I have bought several guns over the internet. I send the seller a copy of my local firearms dealer's FFL (Federal Firearms License), the seller takes this copy to his local dealer along with the gun, his dealer completes a form and ships the firearm to my dealer. I then go pick up the firearm from my dealer - after the background check. In Florida, there is no waiting period for a long gun and because I hold a concealed carry license, I have no waiting period for a handgun either. My dealer picks up the phone, calls the the state capitol, and they run an instant computer check on me. This check shows everything - including traffic violations. My dealer then fills out a mandatory form, I sign it and away I go with my firearm.

I can buy over the internet from an individual and go pick up the gun myself. I can buy a gun from an individual and pick the gun up. To say that all firearms transactions should be through a firearms dealer is like saying that all vehicle and motorcycle sales must be made through dealers. My motorcycles, vehicles, and guns are mine. I have the right to sell them myself.

Gun control has absolutely nothing to do with crime or safety; it has everything to do with control - government control. By design, gun control takes away a person's ability to defend one's self and makes that person dependent on government. By design, gun control restricts the citizens from having the mens to over throw a tyrannical government. Gun control turns citizens into subjects. Gun control does not reduce crime and is not intended to do so.
 
[quote author=avion link=topic=590.msg2844#msg2844 date=1215433078]
I just watched "Elephant" on dstv. About school shootings. In the movie the guys buy an m16 over the net no probs.

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Avion, be skeptical of what you see in movies. The entertainment industry is very leftist and send out their leftist propganda when ever they can. I can buy an AR-15 over the internet. The AR-15 is the semi auto version of the M16. I cannot legally buy or possess an M-16 nor could you legally sell me one via the internet, face to face, or through a firearms dealer. I do not have the federal license to posses a fully automatic weapon. The move you saw was a distortion at best and an out right lie at worst - not unusal for the entertainment and news media in the US at all. See my post above for firearms transfer procedures which apply to all 50 states.
 
[quote author=CarlS link=topic=590.msg2861#msg2861 date=1215436339]
By design, gun control restricts the citizens from having the mens to over throw a tyrannical government. Gun control turns citizens into subjects. Gun control does not reduce crime and is not intended to do so.
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Now this sounds rather familiar to me I wonder why, maybe it resembles something here in SA :tongue:
 
Carl, I wasn't re-hashing the gun "control" thing. I understand the US Constitution and the right to bear arms etc.

I just wanted to know if there was an age restriction on persons buying ammunition or firearms. Half my family own a range of firearms from shotguns and rifles to handguns but that's their choice - they also live on biiiiig farms and are quite isolated and farm attacks are on the increase here.

It always amazes me that in some states, you can drive at 16, but drink at 21 (which I agree with) some states have really strict gun control and others seem far more relaxed. Yes, the US is big country and it would impossible to govern it from a single base. I just thought that a national age restriction for the sale of firearms or ammo wasn't a bad thing. Some 18 year olds are mature enough but the vast majority of 18 year old are just too immature to take responsibility for what is a lethal weapon. I know some 18 year olds who shouldn't be behind the wheel of car, then again I know some 40+'s who shouldn't either.

Really just wanted to know about age restrictions and how Walmart can have ammo "on the shelves".
 
In my reply to you, I was attempting to explain to others across the pond the role of firearms in the US. You and I have hashed this over before! :y114: Basically, one has to be 18 to purchase ammunition in most states. Ammo can be sold anywhere - Wal Mart, a drug store, etc.
 
Our young man is gun crazy. He's dying to join the army (Brit or US Marines no less). With Liam, everything has to be blown up, bazooka'd, missiled into oblivion, anihilated! Save us all. That little maniac in control of a little red button that can launch a nuclear missile - heaven help me! Nah, he's not a bad kid, just a boy! Still, to think that he could just walk in and buy ammo scares the bejeebers out of me. I can see him with a vicegrip and hammer trying to detonate the things. Bearing in mind that he built a volcano on the bed and set the bed on fire, I'd have nightmares knowing that he had free access to live ammo!
 
Walmart sold ammo AND guns till not long ago. AFAIK they still sell ammo. At least the last time i was in a walmart sporting good section i saw ammo. The guns went when some lobbyist group (if i recall correctly) went after them for it.

Funny....when i was a kid you could walk into thrifty drug, a big discount chain and buy ammo. And this was right in the middle of Los Angeles ! Even hardware store had guns and ammo. It was a much better and simpler time tho.
 
[quote author=dazco link=topic=590.msg2878#msg2878 date=1215440428]
Walmart sold ammo AND guns till not long ago. AFAIK they still sell ammo. At least the last time i was in a walmart sporting good section i saw ammo. The guns went when some lobbyist group (if i recall correctly) went after them for it.

Funny....when i was a kid you could walk into thrifty drug, a big discount chain and buy ammo. And this was right in the middle of Los Angeles ! Even hardware store had guns and ammo. It was a much better and simpler time tho.
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My Dad told me when he was a kid, you could buy a Thompson (Tommy Gun) in the local hardware store. Imagine that happening present, pretty scary.
I bought my Mosin-Nagant at a Rose's dept store in 1996, with ammo. I did, however, have to wait 24 hours to pick it up while they ran a background check with the DE State Police.
 
[quote author=KeithH link=topic=590.msg2928#msg2928 date=1215474069]
Gromit.. Here in the USA, 18 to buy long gun ammo, 21 to buy handgun ammo.. Well, in the state of Maryland..
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That makes more sense to me.
 

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