Tiger 800 Latest Map

[CarlS]

I stole this from KildareMan - who is a member here - on the Tiger 800 forum. I know we have some Roadie owners here. There is a corresponding tune for 800's with ABS.

http://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/topic,7164.msg96060/topicseen.html#new

That's 20654 for an 800 non abs.

The engine is as silky smooth as the previous tunes (this is the 4th tune now).
The fuel gauge registers really quickly after a fill. Showing full after 300 metres.
The fuel range to empty is even more pessimistic than before.
The computer's average fuel consumption is spot on.

I have the latest map on my XC and I agree about the smoothness of the engine and smooth throttle response. I have not paid much attention to the fuel gauge and fuel consumption aspects. I am old school and I rely on my trip meter.

 

[Sea Dog]

Thanks for the update Carl.

Have been fine tuning the handling of my 800 ABS as compared to my friends BMW F700GS, the Tiger was a real handful on dirt roads. Even went further than just the two of us swapping bikes to compare rides, his son who races motocross described the Tiger as a dog in the dirt compared to the BMW. Well I reluctantly had to agree with him....I thought it was my riding technique until I tried the BMW. The Tiger was reluctant to turn into a corner and the front end felt incredibly vague, with the front end wanting to wash out on anything but hard packed dirt.

So into the shed goes the Tiger and out with the tools. I pulled the forks through the triple clamps to the maximum the handle bars would allow to speed up the steering, rotated the handlebar risers to the forward position to get my weight further forward, jacked up the rear end by dialing in the maximum spring preload to further speed up the steering and replaced the Pirelli Scorpion Trail front tyre with a Michelin Anarkee.

What a transformation !!! On sealed roads it now steers exactly where I want it and is easy to tighten the line part way through a corner. On the dirt the improvement was even better. It steers easily into a corner, the front end is absolutely planted, can play with the throttle and hang the rear end out with confidence and I can now keep up with the BMW in the dirt. Before the BMW would just disappear over the horizon and I would be a physical and mental wreck by the next stop. Stability has not been effected in any way.

BMW's experience with dual purpose bikes certainly shows in many areas of design. One thing that really stands out, is the easy access to the air filter (important on dirt bikes). 4 screws at the top of the "tank" and there it is. The Tiger....a massive undertaking. Remove all the plastics around the tank, tank off, then access to the filter. To replace the air filter on the Tiger, 45 mins work and a handful of tools. The BMW, 5 mins, one screw driver.

Where the Tiger eats the BMW is the brilliant engine, clutch and gearbox. Top gear roll ons at any speed and full on acceleration runs and the Tiger has it hands down....then there is the beautiful triple music.

Now that I have fixed the LH lean angle by raising the side stand mount and massaged the handling, I am getting closer to the bike I was expecting when I bought the Tiger.

 

[CarlS]

A really good post, Bryce with good information. I am glad you are getting your Tiger dialed in.

I have not ridden an 800 off road. The XC does not seem to have the off road handling problems you described. In comparing the XC with The F800GS, I would say in the really rough and technical stuff, the BMW is marginally better. However the smooth throttle response and the linear torque more than make up for that. And on pavement, there is no comparison. I have not ridden the F700. I know the suspension is different on the XC vs the Roadie and that 21 inch front wheel makes a big difference.

 

[Sea Dog]

Thanks Carl,

Triumph's design team did a brilliant job of the XC and the 800 "Roadie" is the compromise they got a little lost in. The potential for the Roadie is all in there, dirt, road, town, commuting, touring and sport however conservatism in the handling department denied Triumph the opportunity to unleash a great motorcycle capable of all things. The modifications I have made have cost me the price of a new front tyre, replaced a little early. The rest have been adjustments. There is more in there with a more adjustable, better quality rear shock, however that would cost money and force the price up of the bike.......but not by much.

 

[CarlS]

I agree with you.

 

[avion]

Nice experimentation there Sea Dog.

I've also noticed the front is a bit soggy and floating off roading. Coming from a motorcross history too, it feels like a comfy sofa but lazy on the steering.

Now that you've dropped the bike down the forks, how is the ground clearance when cornering? Also have you noticed any 'twitching' when cornering / accelerating over bumps at all? I should imagine the braking stability has improved too?

tia.

 

[Sea Dog]

Nice experimentation there Sea Dog.

I've also noticed the front is a bit soggy and floating off roading. Coming from a motorcross history too, it feels like a comfy sofa but lazy on the steering.

Now that you've dropped the bike down the forks, how is the ground clearance when cornering? Also have you noticed any 'twitching' when cornering / accelerating over bumps at all? I should imagine the braking stability has improved too?

tia.

Hi Gareth,

When I first got the bike, I had an issue of the side stand mount grinding on the road on left hand corners. This wouldn't be a problem with the taller XC. Anyway, fearing it would ditch me one day I repositioned it 12mm higher by re drilling the mounting bolt holes and the mount hole for the main stand stop plate. Had to also remove a little alloy off the side stand so that it would tuck in a little better. All up an easy job. I also re located the side stand cut out switch up behind the gearbox out of harms way as that had been grazed by the road, which bent the plunger causing it to stick and prevent the engine from running. Riding classics with out side stand switches has never caused me any problems, so I am comfortable with out its operation on the Tiger.







Did the side stand modification 9 months ago and it works well.

Now that I have lowered the front end, ground clearance is still fine. The first thing to scrape are the foot pegs on either side, The hero extensions to the foot pegs have worn away after a day on the track and there are no chicken strips on the tyres. I do expect a lot from the bike, especially coming from a Street Triple R which has to be the sweetest, fastest turning weapon available from a show room.

There is absolutely no hint of instability over bumps in corners or hard acceleration. The longish wheel base and very conservative steering geometry look after this.

No problems under braking and in fact, now that I have go used to them, coming from the radial and 320mm disc setup on the Street Triple R, I am very happy with the performance when going hard on the tarmac and when needing to use them delicately on the dirt. Nice work on the brakes Triumph !

I weigh in at 70 kg's wringing wet, so the suspension sag with me on board isn't great.

 

[avion]

That's great to hear.

Will drop the bike through the forks over December and see how I find it.

I also did the side stand mod as I had the fear of it pivoting me around at some stage. Bit scary first time it happens eh?

Thanks for the post, will let you know how I get on.

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[Sea Dog]

I also did the side stand mod as I had the fear of it pivoting me around at some stage. Bit scary first time it happens eh?



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Sure was scary.....hit a dip in the road mid turn when it happened and the bike lurched towards the center line before I could grab it by the scruff of its neck and get it sorted. Set to repositioning the side stand the moment I got home.