Shopkeeper 'didn’t want to shoot' robbers

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NEW YORK - The sidewalk outside the Harlem store still was smeared with blood Friday, and the glass on the door still was blown out.

Above the entrance, someone had scribbled the words, "Abandon hope all ye who enter here."

Less than 24 hours after a deadly showdown at the shop worthy of a Clint Eastwood script, Charles "Gus" Augusto Jr. entered his store — oblivious of the inscription taken from Dante's "Inferno."


The 72-year-old wholesaler of commercial restaurant equipment had been up all night, questioned by police about how he'd drawn a shotgun and killed two of four armed robbery suspects who entered his Kaplan Brothers Blue Flame store Thursday afternoon.

Two of the young men died on the street. Two remained hospitalized in stable condition with gunshot wounds.

'Where's the money?'
When they walked in at about 3 p.m. and confronted Augusto with guns, "I didn't want to shoot them," he said, sitting bleary-eyed in his dusty, windowless warehouse, with a fly swatter hanging above his head.

He said the bandits drew their handguns, yelling, "Where's the money? Where's the money?"

They pistol-whipped a worker and waved a weapon at a cashier's face, he said.

"There is no money," Augusto said he told them. "Go home."

Stashed away nearby was the 12-gauge shotgun he bought decades ago and said he had never used since a test-fire. He reached for it when he sensed one of the men was about to shoot, and pulled the trigger once.

"I hoped after the first shot they would go away," he said.

When they didn't, continuing to menace his employees, he fired again, and again.

Police said one of the men collapsed and died outside the door, just feet from a Baptist church.

"He died in the hands of God," said a neighborhood resident, Vincent Gayle, pointing to the blood-spattered pavement by the church. "But what goes around comes around."

Trail of blood
Another fatally wounded suspect managed to cross the street, leaving a trail of blood before he collapsed. He was later pronounced dead at the hospital, police said.

More blood led police to the other two suspects, who were arrested and taken to the hospital. Charges against them were pending.

Police said Augusto didn't have a required permit for the weapon used in the headline-grabbing shooting the Daily News called a "Pump-Action Ending."

But he was a victim, police said, and no charges had been filed on Friday.

"I'd rather not have done it," Augusto said, "and I'm sad for those mothers who have no sons."

On Friday, pedestrians were still sidestepping pools of blood along Augusto's block on West 125th Street, a short walk from Bill Clinton's Harlem office.

Reactions to the shooting were mixed.

Frida Rodriguez called it "a sad day" for the neighborhood.

Augusto "was defending his work, his business, so you could perceive that as being heroic," she said. "But on the other hand, these kids died."

The shopkeeper was coy when asked whether, with his shotgun confiscated, he had a backup.

"I'm not going to tell you that," he said.
 
Those Kids had a choice, which was to try and take money and threaten the lives of people trying to make a living. They made the wrong choice, don,t piss us oldies off whe have less to lose than you youngsters.

The guy is a hero in my book. :y115:
 
Maybe some may feel that killing your fellow man is not the way to go no matter what the circumstances are. For me the more they put down people like this the better. If you are going to do crime then pay for it in the ultimate way.
 
[quote author=DaveM link=topic=6766.msg37055#msg37055 date=1250442897]
Yes I would also say that but for some they may still always feel that it may have been avoided
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Quoted from the original article:


"They pistol-whipped a worker and waved a weapon at a cashier's face, he said."

"He reached for it when he sensed one of the men was about to shoot"


So they had already done bodily harm to one of the employees and looked like they were about to shoot another.

Only a religious fanatic would not defend their own lives!
 
Personalty I would have gone with him shooting them the moment they produced guns :y114:

Living in SA you get rather tired of this type of crime day in and day out with nothing being done about it besides giving these criminals all the rights they denied their victims :angry:
 
I think the shop keeper deserves a medal. He eliminated two predators who will never prey on the innocent again. If there were more of this, there would be far less crime. Maybe the other two who survived will learn from this - but I doubt it.

The mentality of this person is beyond my comprehension: ""He died in the hands of God," said a neighborhood resident, Vincent Gayle, pointing to the blood-spattered pavement by the church. "But what goes around comes around." I see no criticism of armed robbery.
 
All I can say is good rid of em. I can't believe that in SA you have to hire someone to watch your car when you park it. These jerks need to be busted up when they harm a car or a person. I agree with Carl that man deserves a metal.

Dave
 
[quote author=DaveM link=topic=6766.msg37061#msg37061 date=1250444678]
It does not quite work like that here in SA. If you shoot someone you better make sure he shot you first or stabbed you

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Self-defense is a perfectly legal argument in the USA as long as you are protecting your own or someone else's life.

You can also use deadly force if someone is inside your own home. In some States, that extends to your own property.
 
It used to be the same here in SA until well we became the New South Africa and criminals were given more rights than the normal law abiding person. Even the cops here are too scared to shoot and are being killed at an alarming rate due to criminals targeting them for their guns
 
[quote author=The Seeker link=topic=6766.msg37084#msg37084 date=1250471461]

Self-defense is a perfectly legal argument in the USA as long as you are protecting your own or someone else's life.

You can also use deadly force if someone is inside your own home. In some States, that extends to your own property.
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Florida is one of those states. We have a very strong Castle Doctrine law passed by the legislature in response to liberal, activist judges in the southeastern part of the state.
 

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