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CarlS

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The GTO was and still is one of my all time favorite cars. Farewell Pontiac; I will miss the brand.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

An official announcement is expected Monday. GM spokesman Jim Hopson declined to comment on Pontiac's fate, saying the automaker has no announcements to make at this time.

In its most recent "viability plan" - which will be updated to reflect this new brand cut - Pontiac was not named as one of GM's four "core brands." Those are Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

Instead Pontiac was to continue on as a "niche brand" focusing on just a few models.

That was already a step down for Pontiac which in 2008 was the third-best selling brand behind Chevrolet and GMC. That year the brand sold more than Cadillac and twice as many vehicles as Buick. Cadillac is a high-profile - and high profit - luxury brand while Buick is a hugely popular brand in China and is seen as resurgent in the United States.

Pontiac performance
"There was a time, a long way back now, when you knew exactly what Pontiac stood for," said Kevin Smith, editorial director for the automotive Web site Edmunds.com.

The GM unit's identity as a performance brand dates back to the late 1950s and early 1960s. Pontiac cars were designed with wider bodies for cosmetic reasons and the wheels were pushed out to match. This "wide-track" design became a selling point and was advertised as giving Pontiac cars a distinct cornering advantage over other cars.

But the idea of Pontiac as a performance brand was solidified in 1964 with the creation of the Pontiac Tempest LeMans GTO. That car quickly evolved into, simply, the GTO and is often credited with creating a new class of American car, the muscle car.

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Yes, those were the good old days.
In Canada, most Pontiac's were simply a Chevrolet in a Pontiac look-alike body. Models like the GTO and Bonneville were not available here and had to be imported so we didn't see many of them.
In the larger markets like Ontario and Quebec there were more, but not many in my little neck of the woods.
It's sad to see the decline of GM, but the rest of the world overtook them.
 
I have many memories of riding around in a friends Father's Bonneville boat back in the days when gas was under 29 cents a gallon.

Later, my Mom had a '69 GTO convertible with a factory 8 track player and red line Goodyear polyglass wide-oval tires...what a car!

I had a 1970 Trans Am...white with the blue stripes that simply rocked the pavement.

Horrible news to hear Pontiac is going down. I wonder why they don't do away with the Oldsmobile instead?
 
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I wonder why they don't do away with the Oldsmobile instead?
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Do you mean Buick? because Oldsmobile died a few years back.
 
Olds has been history for several years. Actually, Buick sells very well over seas - especially China. More Buicks were sold in the Far East than in the US.
 
As far as i'm concerned most have been history for many years. Only the names remain, but many car brands like many other products are bought by one large company like GM. It's not the same when one company has bought all these other brands...they just arent the same because every company differs from others in the thinking behind the product and thats what makes for the differences between brands. But when they are all bought up by one large co like GM the thinking behind all those different brand names is the same and they therfore are no different. So to me they dies long ago. it's sad. I didn't even realize till today when i heard on the news as they mentioned this that GM owned saturn ! No wonder it's been years since i have heard any of those commercials for saturn proclaiming how they are a small independant car co that cares and treats customers like family and all that. Makes sense that those commercials stopped....must have been about the same time GM bought them. It's become a generic world my friends....uniqueness and quality are all but gone. thank god for people like John Bloor. May there be more like him to help bring things back to the way they were. I think Devo was right....thier whole theory about de-evolution. Makes a lot more sense now some 25 years or so later. :ya2:
 
Saturn has always been a wholly owned subsidiary of GM. It began that way to escape the UAW work rules and contract. They were and are a separate company owned by GM whereas GMC Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, and Cadillac are divisions of GM. I am not sure if Hummer is a division or a subsidiary. Thirty years ago, these divisions had a lot more autonomy and operated like separate companies.
 
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The classic Pontiacs will be missed but as for the modern ones ! No great loss
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Agreed.
Unfortunately, I think the same could be said for over half of the car companys today. :sad:
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Yeah all we get now are cookie cutter units, bath tubs on roller skate wheels. Cars are something you ride in because to have to during winter. Bring on the bikes!!!!

Dave
 
The Pontiac Vibe was actually one of the first cross-over SUVs and is a really nice vehicle if that's what you are looking for. Their version of the Cavalier (can't recall what they named it?) and the Chevy Cavalier itself were actually terrific cars for the money. I bought my Son a 5 speed Cavalier RS model and it handled great, had excellent Recaro style seats, a terrific and fuel-efficient engine, as well as being dependable.
 
[quote author=The Seeker link=topic=5407.msg30302#msg30302 date=1241056142]
I bought my Son a 5 speed Cavalier RS model and it handled great, had excellent Recaro style seats, a terrific and fuel-efficient engine, as well as being dependable.
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Doesn't sound like an American car at all does it. :ya2:

:y18:
 
I'm quite pleased with my American vehicles....

Jeep Cherokee Sport
Cadillac STS
Ford F-350
Jeep CJ-7

The Jeep Cherokee is a 1996 and has 225,000 miles on it...still running like a champ. My other Jeep CJ-7 is a 1982!
 
I don't own a car of any kind. I have a 200 Ford F-350 4X4 and Mae Lyne owns a 2001 Ford F-250. Both are crew cabs and they serve well as our cars. Like Simmer, I rarely drive; I ride two wheels.
 

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