Old Warbird Mid Air Collision At Dallas Air Show

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What looks to be a B 17 and WW II fighter plane had a mid air collision at Dallas Air show. It's not pretty.
God bless the souls on board both aircraft.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1591549331857080322

It involved craft from the Commemorative Air Force; the B-17 Texas Raiders and a P-63 KingCobra. Details are still to come, but I suspect issues with the pilot of the fighter because he came in from below and behind the B-17 (the blind spot for the B-17 pilot). I am leaning toward the P-63 pilot blacking out (or something like that) in the turn, and not able to recover.
 
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Very sad, happens more often than it should at air shows unfortunately. Didn’t involve the crowds of spectators at least.
 
P63 pilot broke a primary rule of formation flying. He lost sight of the B17, he should have pulled up and out of the formation but dropped his nose looking for the B17 and hit it.
 
P-63 came in pretty hot and in a left bank. P-39/63’s had notoriously poor pilot visibility, even in level flight. The USAAC wasn’t a big fan of the 39 due to this and we never even used the 63. They were export only. This poor visibility coupled with the ventral side of the aircraft facing the bomber I’d say the 63 pilot didn’t even see the B-17. I’m told there were other single engine aircraft approaching from behind the 63 to form up with the 63 and the 17. It’s very likely the 63 pilot was looking up to keep an eye on those successive aircraft. This only added to the 63 pilot not being able to position the bomber. It’s also possible that the 63 overshot his arc as well due to speed or an incorrect vector.

This was a well rehearsed fly-by so barring some kind of mechanical failure I’d bet this was pilot error on the part of the P-63.
 
Overall they were a substandard aircraft and their overall poor pilot visibility was a big reason US pilots didn’t like them as fighters. The instrument panel was high, effecting forward view and the canopy design was impeded by the air intake configured immediately behind the cockpit which also effected rearward view should the pilot need to get eyes-on at his 6 O’Clock. Although “bubble” in its general silhouette, the canopy needed a pretty comprehensive support frame structure and pilot ingress/egress was done by doors not far removed from a conventional car door. All this reduced clear visibility. The engine was also behind the pilot and this location along with the resulting center of gravity shift rearward required the wings to be a bit more forward than typical low wing single seaters of the day. The 39 was very underpowered and near useless at higher altitudes against planes like the Zero or the BF-109. The 63 improved upon performance but the physical design limitations were never addressed.

Russians took what they could get and most US combat aircraft worth a damn were banned from export to the USSR. The 39 was an early war fighter and much more capable fighters were being fielded soon after Pearl Harbor that quickly eclipsed the P-39. So the Russians got the unwanted 39s and eventually the 63 in high numbers, in addition to the P-40 and some Spitfires. I’m sure they made the most of their 39’s and 63’s but they were simply inferior fighters. They could contend with early war BF-109’s but later variants and FW-190 flew circles around them. Russian aircraft in general were nothing to boast about comparatively back then. Fortunately for them the air war over Russia was generally fought at lower altitudes so their Bells were in their operational realm. I’d imagine successful Russian squadrons development very sophisticated tactics as well.

The Luftwaffe reeked havoc on the Soviet Air Force for most of the war and this is the reason German aces racked up the highest kill counts of all WW2 combatants. They pretty much all tallied these massive scores solely in Russia. Once they were reassigned to the west, the odds shifted against them due to the abundance of both superior Allied fighter aircraft and higher numbers of well trained pilots. Not to say German fighter pilots were comparatively sub par on average, they were in fact some of the most outstanding pilots of their day, but the western Allies, especially the US, had a better training program in place strategically. The US fielded a larger number of thoroughly trained pilots instructed by our most successful combat pilots who were rotated home after a year or so in action for a tour as instructors. The Axis, and the Russians, didn’t really do this. They were reluctant to take their “top guns” away from the front. Toward the war’s end we were basically just killing off their good pilots to the point where they had more aircraft than crews, which by the Autumn of ‘44 wasn’t saying much..

Anyhoo, I digress. You guys got me all fired up on military aviation. Like I said, I’m going to bet this accident was significantly caused by pilot error on the part of the 63 for the reasons I stated. He simply didn’t see the bomber and his altitude basically put him right on top of the 17. To me, it seemed like he came in way too fast too but that’s just my opinion. The 17 was flying with a smaller crew, obviously without gunners who back in the day also doubled as observers that would inform the cockpit of what’s going on outside. I wonder if those extra eyes could’ve made that split second difference? I discussed all this with a retired Strike Eagle pilot I know and he agrees this is probable error on the part of the Bell.

I’m by no stretch a sh*t-hot pilot but I do have a few hundred hours single piston engine(haven’t flown in years). I also worked in aircrash recovery for some years. I can say with a degree of certainty that FAA and NTSB accident inspectors only really care when incidents are high profile like this one. When it’s a simple crash out in the middle of nowhere, even one involving a death or two, they don’t give a toss. They show up, check a few boxes, and are back at their hotel in time for happy hour. I’ve even seen them leave body parts out on site and chuckle about it. Inversely when you have a crash like this one in TX, they become overly bureaucratic tyrants spewing reels and reels of maddening red tape. Even when they make their ruling there could still be things remaining to raise suspicion.

A pilot medical emergency however unlikely is a consideration in these incidents. As grisly as it sounds, of crew remains, intact hearts and brains are very instrumental in determining this. Recovering and carefully preserving this anatomy would be a big focus of my team on a crash site. Unfortunately in cataclysmic situations such as this these organs are often obliterated. Personally, I do not think the 63 pilot blacked out from excessive G’s.
 
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Personally, I do not think the 63 pilot blacked out from excessive G’s.
I don't either. He was in a turn to join a formation, so there would be a minimal amount of G-increase; nothing like a combat simulation, though. I've seen the photos of the pilots.
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I don't know who was piloting the P-63, but none of them are youngsters, ranging from the early 50's to late 60's (maybe early 70, as well). So, a health issue can't be ruled out, at this time.
 
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There will likely be revorered footage from onboard “GoPro” type cameras, hopefully backed up on clouds. Cockpit “selfie” POV cameras are very common these days. Those will be very telling. I’m very curious to see if the 63 pilot was looking out to track the trail single engines approaching to join the formation. That would put him in a head-up attitude, looking through the top of the canopy out toward the horizon. That literally could have seal his fate.

The whole 2-3 seconds before collision just looks “off” from a speed, timing and spatial positioning standpoint. The 2 aircraft just weren’t “clicking” despite their heavy rehearsals.

To look at the bright side- no one was killed on the ground, though I’m told the main bomber wreckage missed a Stearman idling on the tarmac getting ready to takeoff by like 20 meters, and thankfully it had no passengers, just crew. These old bombers often allow paying passengers or VIPs during some performances. A buddy of mine got to fly in a B-29 a few months ago during a similar grand finale fly-by, along with none other than Oliver North.
 
I don't know who was piloting the P-63, but none of them are youngsters, ranging from the early 50's to late 60's (maybe early 70, as well). So, a health issue can't be ruled out, at this time.
Overconfidence and inattentiveness still gets even some of the most experienced pilots. This guy was a renown retired F-14 jockey, Top Gun instructor, air show pilot, and had like a bazillion hours in everything with wings. He simply forgot to remove the flight control lock down near the pedals of this rudimentary stick and rudder Marchetti that he owned and also had untold hours in.



I took the hint some years ago and pumped the brakes on skydiving when we went through a slew of fatalities involving pretty much all the top tier pros and pioneers of the sport. Literally just about all of them in a span of 2-3 years, and pretty much all of them for basic errors or unknown reasons during routine fun jumps. Now I just dust off the rig a once or twice a year and hit the DZ for a solo proficiency jump or 2. I have around 1000 jumps. That may sound like a lot, but it’s not. It’s enough to make you complacent though.
 
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Overconfidence and inattentiveness still gets even some of the most experienced pilots.
I have around 1000 jumps. That may sound like a lot, but it’s not. It’s enough to make you complacent though.
Very true. I have observed folks (including myself, sadly) who thought they knew "everything", then found out they forgot "something". I worked on backup power during my last 12 years at ATT. I didn't know everything but thought I knew enough, but 480 volts of 3-phase electricity doesn't often forgive mistakes. Thankfully, for myself and those close to me (in more than proximity), we all went home better educated.
 

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