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British and French nuclear submarines collide in Atlantic
Two British and French nuclear submarines collided in heavy seas in the Atlantic.



HMS Vanguard: Two British and French nuclear submarines collided in heavy seas in the Atlantic.


HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant are understood to have both been severely damaged in the underwater accident earlier this month.

Both are fitted with state-of-the-art technology aimed at detecting other submarines, but it apparently failed completely.

Although both France and Britain insist that security was not compromised during the collision and there was no danger of a nuclear incident, inquiries are now under way in both countries.

Each boat is a key part of their respective county's nuclear deterrent, ready to unleash their destructive weapons at a moment's notice.

French Navy sources confirm that Le Triomphant, one of four strategic nuclear submarines of the so-called "Force de Frappe", was returning from a 70 day tour of duty when the incident occurred.

It happened in heavy seas, and in the middle of the night between February 3 and 4, and left Le Triomphant's sonar dome all but destroyed.

The sonar dome should have detected the Vanguard but Le Triomphant's crew of 101 claimed to have "neither saw nor heard anything".

The French tried to play down the collision, with a Navy spokesman saying: "The collision did not result in injuries among the crew and did not jeopardise nuclear security at any moment."

The Ministry of Defence would not even confirm it had taken place. A spokesman said: "It is MoD policy not to comment on submarine operational matters, but we can confirm that the UK's deterrent capability has remained unaffected at all times and there has been no compromise to nuclear safety."

Le Triomphant took at least three days to limp back to her home port, while HMS Vanguard returned to her home base in Faslane, in Scotland.

With a complement of 135 crew, she is the lead boat of the Vanguard class of submarines which carry Trident ballistic missiles around the world.

Le Triomphant is also the lead ship in her own class of Triomphant nuclear submarines.

Each carries 16 M45 ballistic missiles, weighs 35 tons each, carries six warheads and has a range of around 5,000 miles.

France's Atlantic coast is notorious for being a "submarine graveyard" because of the number of underwater craft, mainly German U-boats, sunk in the area during the Second World War.
 
[quote author=The Seeker link=topic=3841.msg24521#msg24521 date=1234823288]
Why does France need a submarine?

It's not as if they'd actually go to war with anyone.

Perhaps it's used to secretly transport white flags?
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For the same reason we need one :y114: The only difference is they have the crew to sail and we don't :y24: :y24:
 
[quote author=The Seeker link=topic=3841.msg24521#msg24521 date=1234823288]
Why does France need a submarine?

It's not as if they'd actually go to war with anyone.

Perhaps it's used to secretly transport white flags?
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I seem to remember France being part of some major wars - from start to finish. Not just stepping in at the end for mopping up sessions then claiming "We won the war".
 
[quote author=Gromit link=topic=3841.msg24573#msg24573 date=1234884850]


I seem to remember France being part of some major wars - from start to finish. Not just stepping in at the end for mopping up sessions then claiming "We won the war".


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I'm quite sure France has never claimed "we won the war"......that's very true.
 
[quote author=The Seeker link=topic=3841.msg24575#msg24575 date=1234885096]
[quote author=Gromit link=topic=3841.msg24573#msg24573 date=1234884850]


I seem to remember France being part of some major wars - from start to finish. Not just stepping in at the end for mopping up sessions then claiming "We won the war".
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I'm quite sure France has never claimed "we won the war"......that's very true.
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No they haven't - it's a tradition that was started by Napoleon. But they also haven't started wars then called on the international community to join forces with them. Being an ally in a full-scale world war cannot be compared to being allies in any of the wars currently being fought today.
 
I think it works the other way around.....you call on the international community to join forces with you, then you start the war.

You know the British used to wear red coats in war. When asked why that is, their reasoning was so the common foot soldiers wouldn't see the blood.

Now do the math as to why the French wear brown trousers in war.
 
[quote author=Gromit link=topic=3841.msg24573#msg24573 date=1234884850]


I seem to remember France being part of some major wars - from start to finish. Not just stepping in at the end for mopping up sessions then claiming "We won the war".


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Is "being a part", the same as being occupied?


"Not just stepping in at the end for mopping up sessions"


World War II: September 1, 1939 - September 2, 1945

US involvement: December 8, 1941 - September 2, 1945


Russia and Great Britain had Germany, Italy, and Japan all but ready to surrender when the USA came along and merely did the mopping-up.
 
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