Nu 2 Me, 1977 750 Primary Belt Drive Question.

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Texsailor

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Just acquired another winters project. 1977 750 that someone else started, and now I get to finish.

Motor was professionally rebuilt and that included primary belt drive. Have zero experience with belt drives. My question is specifically about the cover. Mine has series of holes drilled into it now.

Certain it has to do with cool. Either as way help keep temp inside down (due to belt), or that someone thought it looked cool.

Why do I care? Live on dirt road, cliche dust horrible here.

If holes done as cooling measure, what would be worse for a belt drive? Higher temps or grinding talcum like dust?

Wondering minds ( ok, mine) wants to know. (grin)

Thanks to anyone that knows & willing to share!
 

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1977 750
primary belt drive
cover. Mine has series of holes drilled into it now.
Why do I care? Live on dirt road, cliche dust horrible here.

If holes done as cooling measure
Unnecessary.

Also, as standard:-

. The crankcase vented through the drive side main bearing into the primary, that vented through the hole in the inner face of the primary, you can just see the 90 degree elbow covering that hole at the top of View attachment 53032.

. From the elbow, a short length of large-diameter hose leads to a "T", where the vent hose from the frame connects; another large diameter hose connects to the other side of the "T" and routes around the edge of the rear fender to below the licence plate bracket; this second vent hose is an external "D" section, so it lies flat on the fender, and silver coloured so it does not stand out against the chromed or stainless steel fender. The standard venting parts are shown on the "FRAME" pages in the 1977 parts book, https://partsbooks.britishonly.com/partsbooks/20-10112C.pdf if you do not have it.

The idea of the standard venting is any oil droplets vented from the crankcase condense either in the primary or in the first part of the hose, the latter's slope there means the oil runs back into the primary; any oil or droplets vented from the frame (oil can vent from the frame under braking) also runs back into the primary.

Holes in the primary cover, you cannot use any of the standard venting, the drive side main bearing must have the seal used before 70, the small drain holes low down behind the alternator stator must be blocked, the crankcase and frame vents must be rearranged elsewhere.

Otoh, there are 750 twin belts in material not affected by oil ...
 
First, thank you. For your answer & for the link to parts book.

From both parts book, and reading other posts on this forum, I have a real mixed up 45 yr old machine.

Mine is titled 1977 and frame number supports that. But engine is single carb, right hand shift, as well as a belt driven primary one. Oh yeah, have a drum brake rear wheel currently on it too. Looks like I *did* acquire a project. (grin)

Safe to say, it is not going to ever be a concours precise restoration motorcycle.

Well, wanted to learn more about my latest project. Beginning.

Appreciate ya, best wishes.
 
engine is single carb, right hand shift, as well as a belt driven primary one. Oh yeah, have a drum brake rear wheel currently on it too.

Mine is titled 1977 and frame number supports that.
On the information you have posted so far, sounding dubious. :(

Twins were right foot shift before 76, right foot shift went with left foot brake (drum brake plate is on the left). Pre 76 left foot brake and 76 on right foot (disc) brake, the lever pivot is in the rear engine mounting welded to the frame So, unless the left rear engine mounting on your bike's frame has been cut out and a pre 76 mounting welded in, it is not a 77 frame.

Could you post photos of the left rear engine mounting area, it might be possible whoever built the bike managed the left foot brake mounting pivot another way? However, also pre and post 76 swinging arms are different, not impossible the various parts could be grafted together but a lot of pain for not much gain.

Also a photo of the frame number?

Also, what are the model code and date code in the engine number?

Mine is titled 1977 and frame number supports that.
Just a thought, are you reading the frame date code correctly? It is the right hand letter that must be "P" to make it a 77.
 
On the information you have posted so far, sounding dubious. :(

Twins were right foot shift before 76, right foot shift went with left foot brake (drum brake plate is on the left). Pre 76 left foot brake and 76 on right foot (disc) brake, the lever pivot is in the rear engine mounting welded to the frame So, unless the left rear engine mounting on your bike's frame has been cut out and a pre 76 mounting welded in, it is not a 77 frame.

Could you post photos of the left rear engine mounting area, it might be possible whoever built the bike managed the left foot brake mounting pivot another way? However, also pre and post 76 swinging arms are different, not impossible the various parts could be grafted together but a lot of pain for not much gain.

Also a photo of the frame number?

Also, what are the model code and date code in the engine number?


Just a thought, are you reading the frame date code correctly? It is the right hand letter that must be "P" to make it a 77.
I will have take pictures of left engine mounting area later this morning. When I get back into town.

Have pictures of frame & engine numbers though. Knew they didn't match.

Hopefully can figure what I really have now.

Appreciate assistance.
 

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I will have take pictures of left engine mounting area later this morning. When I get back into town.

Have pictures of frame & engine numbers though. Knew they didn't match.

Hopefully can figure what I really have now.

Appreciate assistance.
Know frame picture not best. So from title document, T140VPP78571. Seems match what I can see clearly on frame.

Hope this helps.
 
Know frame picture not best. So from title document, T140VPP78571. Seems match what I can see clearly on frame.

Hope this helps.
Hope this shows what you meant.
No brake pedal installed though.

Have one in a box parts though. Rusty, but have one. (small grin)


Thanks for helping. Best wishes.
 

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I would say the engine was stamped at Meriden - the background Triumph logos look regular (not stamped by someone with a logo stamp :cool:) and the "T140V" looks like a standard block stamp, its letters and numbers look regular.

If you want to check if the right hand crankcase started out with the left hand one, look at the bottom engine mounting - each crankcase half should have a code (not the engine number) stamped on it; if the code is the same on both halves, they started out together.

Engines were stamped with their complete "engine number" (model code, date code and five numbers) when they were completed. Frames had the complete "engine number" copied on to them when the engine was installed. Based on that and your bike's frame number is higher than the engine number, I would say the engine was probably built in July (H) 1976, near the beginning of the 77 model year (P) - the original bike with the frame date code PP was assembled in November 1976.

Your frame number is less easy to decipher from your photo. I would have expected the "T140V" is a block stamp also, other letters and numbers stamped individually so straight and level is not expected. However, if the "T140V" characters have also been stamped individually, an originally unnumbered frame might have been stamped to match a title document someone had, either because the original frame was damaged or simply to assemble a saleable bike from a collection of parts.

Motor was professionally rebuilt
single carb
There are not many differences between the twin carb T140V and contemporary single carb TR7RV. If the p.o. did not intend to use standard airbox parts, single carb head is all that is required.

right hand shift
As your engine is most likely 77, there would originally have been a hole through the crankcases for the "Foot change spindle" (parts book "Chaincase and Chains" pages, part #20), that connected the original left hand shift lever to the gearchange mechanism in the right hand outer gearbox cover. When you remove the primary cover, hopefully you find the hole blocked.

It is possible the p.o. wanted a right hand shift. Or, see the "Foot change spindle" has a U shaped part, this cleared the original chain driven clutch but might not have cleared the belt drive clutch.

No brake pedal installed
Your photo with that appears to show the frame plate behind the engine has had a large hole bored in it? Possibly for the brake lever pivot?

I cannot be sure from your photos whether the bike has a disc brake swinging arm (correct for 77) or a drum brake brake swinging arm (correct for left hand brake)?

It is possible to use an internet search engine to find parts, usually with photos. If you enter "triumph 83-2513" (drum brake swinging arm) and "triumph 83-7035" (disc brake swinging arm) into an internet search engine and study the returned photos, you will see the primary difference between the two is the location of the brake torque anchor - drum brake swinging arm has it near the pivot under the left arm, disc brake swinging arm has it near the axle slot under the right arm.

If you disconnect the brake rod and rotate the brake plate anticlockwise until the lever is at about 12 o'clock, either the torque arm lug or the hole for it should be visible at about 6 o'clock.

If you decide to continue with fitting a drum rear brake, lever, etc., you will need one of 74, 73, 72 or 71 parts books for the part numbers.
 
I would say the engine was stamped at Meriden - the background Triumph logos look regular (not stamped by someone with a logo stamp :cool:) and the "T140V" looks like a standard block stamp, its letters and numbers look regular.

If you want to check if the right hand crankcase started out with the left hand one, look at the bottom engine mounting - each crankcase half should have a code (not the engine number) stamped on it; if the code is the same on both halves, they started out together.

Engines were stamped with their complete "engine number" (model code, date code and five numbers) when they were completed. Frames had the complete "engine number" copied on to them when the engine was installed. Based on that and your bike's frame number is higher than the engine number, I would say the engine was probably built in July (H) 1976, near the beginning of the 77 model year (P) - the original bike with the frame date code PP was assembled in November 1976.

Your frame number is less easy to decipher from your photo. I would have expected the "T140V" is a block stamp also, other letters and numbers stamped individually so straight and level is not expected. However, if the "T140V" characters have also been stamped individually, an originally unnumbered frame might have been stamped to match a title document someone had, either because the original frame was damaged or simply to assemble a saleable bike from a collection of parts.



There are not many differences between the twin carb T140V and contemporary single carb TR7RV. If the p.o. did not intend to use standard airbox parts, single carb head is all that is required.


As your engine is most likely 77, there would originally have been a hole through the crankcases for the "Foot change spindle" (parts book "Chaincase and Chains" pages, part #20), that connected the original left hand shift lever to the gearchange mechanism in the right hand outer gearbox cover. When you remove the primary cover, hopefully you find the hole blocked.

It is possible the p.o. wanted a right hand shift. Or, see the "Foot change spindle" has a U shaped part, this cleared the original chain driven clutch but might not have cleared the belt drive clutch.


Your photo with that appears to show the frame plate behind the engine has had a large hole bored in it? Possibly for the brake lever pivot?

I cannot be sure from your photos whether the bike has a disc brake swinging arm (correct for 77) or a drum brake brake swinging arm (correct for left hand brake)?

It is possible to use an internet search engine to find parts, usually with photos. If you enter "triumph 83-2513" (drum brake swinging arm) and "triumph 83-7035" (disc brake swinging arm) into an internet search engine and study the returned photos, you will see the primary difference between the two is the location of the brake torque anchor - drum brake swinging arm has it near the pivot under the left arm, disc brake swinging arm has it near the axle slot under the right arm.

If you disconnect the brake rod and rotate the brake plate anticlockwise until the lever is at about 12 o'clock, either the torque arm lug or the hole for it should be visible at about 6 o'clock.

If you decide to continue with fitting a drum rear brake, lever, etc., you will need one of 74, 73, 72 or 71 parts books for the part numbers.
Very much appreciated! Sincerely.

Knew it was 'different' than stock. Not sure why seller's dad had it converted to right side shift.

When open cover will definitely post pictures. Have the original covers, possibly it can be 'put correct'. Just have to see then.

As for as plans to keep drum rear wheel ... No plans made yet.

Still learning about bike. Figuring out just what my impulsive acquisition is, and exactly what all has been done to it last 45 yrs.

Seeing what it *has to have* to be road worthy again.

Before I ever start thinking about what would be nice, or even proper, to have. Trying to learn enough to actually make a plan, to be honest.

Your information helped. First 'almost complete' Triumph I ever owned. (grin)

Once again, thank you much. Very best wishes.
 

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