Are We Alone In the Universe? New Analysis Says Maybe

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Scientists engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) work under the assumption that there is, in fact, intelligent life out there to be found. A new analysis may crush their optimism.


To calculate the likelihood that they'll make radio contact with extraterrestrials, SETI scientists use what's known as the Drake Equation. Formulated in the 1960s by Frank Drake of the SETI Institute in California, it approximates the number of radio-transmitting civilizations in our galaxy at any one time by multiplying a string of factors: the number of stars, the fraction that have planets, the fraction of those that are habitable, the probability of life arising on such planets, its likelihood of becoming intelligent and so on.



The values of almost all these factors are highly speculative. Nonetheless, Drake and others have plugged in their best guesses, and estimate that there are about 10,000 tech-savvy civilizations in the galaxy currently sending signals our way — a number that has led some scientists to predict that we'll detect alien signals within two decades.


Their optimism relies on one factor in particular: In the equation, the probability of life arising on suitably habitable planets (ones with water, rocky surfaces and atmospheres) is almost always taken to be 100 percent. As the reasoning goes, the same fundamental laws apply to the entire universe, and because those laws engendered the genesis of life on Earth — and relatively early in its history at that — they must readily spawn life elsewhere, too. As the Russian astrobiologist Andrei Finkelstein put it at a recent SETI press conference, "the genesis of life is as inevitable as the formation of atoms."
But in a new paper published on arXiv.org, astrophysicist David Spiegel at Princeton University and physicist Edwin Turner at the University of Tokyo argue that this thinking is dead wrong. Using a statistical method called Bayesian reasoning, they argue that the life here on Earth could be common, or it could be extremely rare — there's no reason to prefer one conclusion over the other. With their new analysis, Spiegel and Turner say they have erased the one Drake factor scientists felt confident about and replaced it with a question mark.


While it's true that life arose quickly on Earth (within the planet's first few hundred million years), the researchers point out that if it hadn't done so, there wouldn't have been enough time for intelligent life — humans — to have evolved. So, in effect, we're biased. It took at least 3.5 billion years for intelligent life to evolve on Earth, and the only reason we're able to contemplate the likelihood of life today is that its evolution happened to get started early. This requisite good luck is entirely independent of the actual probability of life emerging on a habitable planet.


"Although life began on this planet fairly soon after the Earth became habitable, this fact is consistent with … life being arbitrarily rare in the Universe," the authors state. In the paper, they prove this statement mathematically.


Their result doesn't mean we're alone — only that there's no reason to think otherwise. "[A] Bayesian enthusiast of extraterrestrial life should be significantly encouraged by the rapid appearance of life on the early Earth but cannot be highly confident on that basis," the authors conclude. Our own existence implies very little about how many other times life has arisen.


Two data points rather than just one would make all the difference, the researchers say. If life is found to have arisen independently on Mars, then scientists would be in a much better position to assert that, under the right conditions, the genesis of life is inevitable.
 
IF there is life on other planets what's to say we would even be able to communicate with them? All the scientist seem to think if we send radio signals out then we would receive radio signals from "Out There." IF there is life on other planets they may be so advanced they never used radios to communicate or they may be so far behind that they aren't intelligent enough to communicate. Another issue would be they aren't of a life form that would even notice humans or humans even notice them. They keep looking at possible inhabitable planets but this is assuming the other ALF's would need the same items available to them to be inhabitable, they may not all be like Starbuck, Apollo, Spock, or the Ferengi, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians. To me, ALF's are a lot like Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and such other things, until they catch one they are just hopes in the scientists minds.
 
Stephen Hawkings believes that if there are other beings in the universe that the only reason they would come to Earth would be for hostile reasons and that sending out radio signals and such in an attempt to contact them is like sending an invitation out to be murdered.
 
Interesting I suppose, but it's not something I give much thought to.
I'm with hemibee, so in the meantime, and until we catch one, I'm going to enjoy my time on earth and not worry too much about intelligent life elsewhere.
At times it's hard enough finding intelligent life on this earth :y2:
 
Stephen Hawkings believes that if there are other beings in the universe that the only reason they would come to Earth would be for hostile reasons and that sending out radio signals and such in an attempt to contact them is like sending an invitation out to be murdered.

Stephen and I think alike. :y15:
 
Dale, I have not heard that song in years! Thanks. TUP

I agree with AJ, if there is intelligent life out there, they are riding Triumphs! I do not worry about it. I have enough to contend with in this life on earth!
 
I don't know it seems that we on earth seem to expect and calculate everything on the assumption that if there is life out there it will be along the lines of what we are. I think it is a bit arrogant for us to believe that we are the only intelligent life forms around in a universe that we cannot even start to imagine how large it actually is.

So lets just say I am a believer :y2:
 
Monty Python.

Galaxy Song.

The last two lines sum it up.

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
 
IF there is life on other planets what's to say we would even be able to communicate with them? All the scientist seem to think if we send radio signals out then we would receive radio signals from "Out There." IF there is life on other planets they may be so advanced they never used radios to communicate or they may be so far behind that they aren't intelligent enough to communicate. Another issue would be they aren't of a life form that would even notice humans or humans even notice them. They keep looking at possible inhabitable planets but this is assuming the other ALF's would need the same items available to them to be inhabitable, they may not all be like Starbuck, Apollo, Spock, or the Ferengi, Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians. To me, ALF's are a lot like Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and such other things, until they catch one they are just hopes in the scientists minds.

TUP Spot on!
 
No, they aren't riding triumphs because they don't sell them anywhere but earth. But personally my theory is if they ever come to earth it will be to take our triumphs. So yes, it WOULD be for hostile reasons...the MOST hostile of all !!! :y2:
 
No, they aren't riding triumphs because they don't sell them anywhere but earth. But personally my theory is if they ever come to earth it will be to take our triumphs. So yes, it WOULD be for hostile reasons...the MOST hostile of all !!! :y2:
ye lookin for bits for there broke down space ships ! man u :y2:r guns
 

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