1700 dyno sheet.
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Thats exactly what they have been stating. I really do think that can be achieved with exhaust (including cat removal) and airflow mods like i said in the other thread.
Dale: I don't think you're going to be able to see 19% with pipes and airflow management, but you might get 8 - 10% which will get you to between 92 - 94 HP, which seems quite adequate to me. I guess the question for me becomes where is the difference between an accessorized 1600 and the BB 1700 so small as to be not worth the money? I think the accessorized 1600 would be the way to go for me.
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No, not with just that. But i'm talking about pipes filter AND cat removal. The RIII gains 18 HP with cat removal alone, and thats according to guys who dyno'd thier with and w/o, so thats REAL HP. (rear wheel) So if this bike got a gain relitive to the RIII for it's size, which is approximately 2/3 the size of the RIII, it would gain 2/3 of 18 HP or 12 HP. Add to that a few for pipes and air flow and you're at the same if not a bit more than the BB kit. It's just a matter of time before someone comes up with a bypass unit for it and maps for it. Triumph actually makes the cat bypass (called "muffler upgrade" in the accessory catalog) for the RIII as an "off road" accessory. So far i don't see one for the Tbird, so someone will have to make one for it and i'm sure someone will.
BUT what do you think you may gain with these mods and the BB kit installed. If I had one I think I would just looks at the mods as well and leave the BB kit out as I would be changing out the pipes in any case :y18:
I can't say because i'm not sure when triumph quotes 15HP for the BB that they mean with or w/o the pipes and filter. If they mean with, then doing cat bypass plus pipes and filter could possibly be even MORE effective than the BB kit if the gains are as good as with the RIII percentage wise. I have read suggestions that it is 15HP with the BB kit alone, then read others that suggest it's with BB kit and pipes/filter. So i dunno.
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I can't say because i'm not sure when triumph quotes 15HP for the BB that they mean with or w/o the pipes and filter.
[/quote]i'm assuming your saying completely new pipes from the motor all the way back? Because the dyno chart mentions with AfterMarket slip-on (sliencer's) but nothing about the intake? It'll be interesting to see some real world dyno runs on the TB ( in the future)so we can actually see some other runs not company related. Dale you've also mentioned that the BB kit comes with a remap for the fuel injection? which I'll assume is epa approved. So what about when someone like Power Commander comes out with an aftermarket tuner which more than likely won't be epa approved, but will increase the performance to both the 1600 and the BB1700. That will possibly increase your stock power as well. How long do you guys thing it'll take the aftermarket to start producing performance parts like pipes and tuners? Think it'll happen by next summer?
I can't say because i'm not sure when triumph quotes 15HP for the BB that they mean with or w/o the pipes and filter.
[/quote]i'm assuming your saying completely new pipes from the motor all the way back? Because the dyno chart mentions with AfterMarket slip-on (sliencer's) but nothing about the intake? It'll be interesting to see some real world dyno runs on the TB ( in the future)so we can actually see some other runs not company related. Dale you've also mentioned that the BB kit comes with a remap for the fuel injection? which I'll assume is epa approved. So what about when someone like Power Commander comes out with an aftermarket tuner which more than likely won't be epa approved, but will increase the performance to both the 1600 and the BB1700. That will possibly increase your stock power as well. How long do you guys thing it'll take the aftermarket to start producing performance parts like pipes and tuners? Think it'll happen by next summer?
No, just slip ons.
Yes, the BB and remap are EPA compliant.(assuming the BB needs remapping) The pipes and filter and cat removal are i am sure not. But in Ca they just shot down the latest attempt to require emissions testing for bikes, so it'll be ok for a while. But even if i BB'd it i'd still want pipes for the sound and look of the shorties. As to aftermarket mappers, i don't know how long it'll take. I think it took about a year on the EFI twins. (they came out in some countries in '08, '09 in the states)
Well the warranty issue couple with the relatively small cost of the bb kit made it all too attractive to me. Yes I will be doing pipes and filter as well but bolt ons won't get you the torque jumps that the BBkit delivers. It also won't get you the resale / trade-in value that the "104 cubic inches" cover will deliver for you.
I still think out of the box it's going to be a very impressive ride but since this is my first new bike, and first bike in a long 5 year dry spell I'm gonna do it up the way I want. It helps I'm not a bagger guy nor a big chrome freak, I 'm more apt to strip things off then put them on so these type of performance mods are all I'm really interested in.
I still think out of the box it's going to be a very impressive ride but since this is my first new bike, and first bike in a long 5 year dry spell I'm gonna do it up the way I want. It helps I'm not a bagger guy nor a big chrome freak, I 'm more apt to strip things off then put them on so these type of performance mods are all I'm really interested in.
I'd be interested to know how much of that extra performance is due to the cams alone. I suspect that it would be significant. An extra 6.025% cubic capacity is not a great deal.
Hot cams, Off road pipes and Cat removal would probably account for the majority of extra performance.
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Hot cams, Off road pipes and Cat removal would probably account for the majority of extra performance.
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:ya2:
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I'd be interested to know how much of that extra performance is due to the cams alone. I suspect that it would be significant. An extra 6.025% cubic capacity is not a great deal.
Hot cams, Off road pipes and Cat removal would probably account for the majority of extra performance.
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:ya2:
[/quote]Thats what I hear alot of motor performance guys say. including some when they talk about HD ,Just a bigbore alone won't get the best bang for the buck. But combining the improvements you mentioned with the BB you will. I wonder if they'll sell just the cams ? that would definitely make the bike more responsive in the mid range with the improved intake and pipes .
I'd be interested to know how much of that extra performance is due to the cams alone. I suspect that it would be significant. An extra 6.025% cubic capacity is not a great deal.
Hot cams, Off road pipes and Cat removal would probably account for the majority of extra performance.
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:ya2:
[/quote]Thats what I hear alot of motor performance guys say. including some when they talk about HD ,Just a bigbore alone won't get the best bang for the buck. But combining the improvements you mentioned with the BB you will. I wonder if they'll sell just the cams ? that would definitely make the bike more responsive in the mid range with the improved intake and pipes .
Cams indeed can make a difference. I had a Thruxton engine, a 900 cc, installed in Mae Lyne's T100 (her's had an 800 cc). We used the head from her bike as opposed to the Thruxton head. The cams in the Thruxton yield torque in the mid an higher rpms ranges. The Bonnie cams deliver torque in the lower and mid rpm ranges which is better for hauling a hack. The result is really good.
The 900 cruisers have considerably more torque than the bonnies because of cams. Not a ton, but a notable difference in where it peaks which is 3500 for the '05. (it changes several times in the specs for different years)
But that said, the BB part of the kit usually makes quite a difference, but not because of the extra cc's but because they also usually increase the compression ratio. Too bad the cams couldn't be had seperately tho because i bet they're responsible for about 1/2 of thr increase. And many could do the labor themselves. Heck, you have to remove the cams to adjust the valves.
But that said, the BB part of the kit usually makes quite a difference, but not because of the extra cc's but because they also usually increase the compression ratio. Too bad the cams couldn't be had seperately tho because i bet they're responsible for about 1/2 of thr increase. And many could do the labor themselves. Heck, you have to remove the cams to adjust the valves.
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... And many could do the labor themselves. Heck, you have to remove the cams to adjust the valves.
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If you do that, be careful not to drop anything in the engine. :ya2:
The 1600 cylinders are not removeable, so I assume it would be re-bored with sleeves, right?
... And many could do the labor themselves. Heck, you have to remove the cams to adjust the valves.
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If you do that, be careful not to drop anything in the engine. :ya2:
The 1600 cylinders are not removeable, so I assume it would be re-bored with sleeves, right?
yeah, thanks for the memories ! :angry: :ya2:
Another guy at RAT just took delivery. Same opinions....great torque and handling. I'm getting anxious, tho today i went to the dentist and it looks like for a week i will be out of commision big time. So i actually HOPE the bike doesn't come in too soon. In fact, if i had known how much work i need done i may have not decided to buy the bike, as this may cost me $10K if i still intend to be able to chew food. $4 or 5k minimum. I may just pass on eating and ride instead. :ya2:
That will be an effective diet!
Yeah, extremely. Also an effective deterrent to purchasing a house which i was *going* to do before this. :angry:
Who needs a house; you'll have a new bike!!
I spose. it will be a while before i care about either tho knowing what i'm about to go thru. On the bright side tho, today is the first time i woke up w/o severe elbow pain. Hoping the tennis elbow is on the way out.
